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Old 11-29-2016, 02:08 PM
 
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So have I.

Where one lives is a life style choice. The government has no business subsidizing a life style choice.

People in suburban areas have to knock on doors to collect money to pay for their police and fire. Or band together and form a taxing authority to fund them. We, too, could let our houses burn to the ground.

Some rural areas depend on the kindness of strangers, or their tax dollars.

The parties may advocate for more or less government through their endless propaganda. They are both about about self preservation.
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Old 11-29-2016, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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My rural family stopped voting blue when the dems forgot the one thing they were based on, unions. They no longer took care of the union members who kept them in office for so long.
It hurt us when Obama signed in that Brazil can send us beef which undercut the American Farmer. As well as the other horrible trade deals that killed rural economy completely.
Rural America wanted change not some career politician who called us Deplorable. I hated this election anyone who agreed with Trump was called a "redneck, a hick or an Idiot" These were all things I heard tolerant liberals saying, they degrade rural areas and wonder why rural areas don't like them very much.
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Old 11-29-2016, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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My rural family stopped voting blue when the dems forgot the one thing they were based on, unions. They no longer took care of the union members who kept them in office for so long.
I haven't heard many people talking about this, but I think it was a significant factor. Here in Iowa most folks are ideologically red, but much of the eastern half of the state traditionally votes blue due to the number of union members and supporters. This year most of the historically red counties went blue and handed the state to the candidate who talked about bringing good, traditionally union-affiliated jobs back to this country rather than the one whose party spent a lot of time doubling the wages of fast-food workers.
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Old 11-29-2016, 03:04 PM
 
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I haven't heard many people talking about this, but I think it was a significant factor. Here in Iowa most folks are ideologically red, but much of the eastern half of the state traditionally votes blue due to the number of union members and supporters. This year most of the historically red counties went blue and handed the state to the candidate who talked about bringing good, traditionally union-affiliated jobs back to this country rather than the one whose party spent a lot of time doubling the wages of fast-food workers.
The crazy thing is that many actually dont understand how minimum wage increases benefit 10 times as many as the ones on minimum wage. It massively increases the bargaining power of huge amounts of workers, but the rhetoric from the right is the rhetoric of the jealous ("that fast food worker should not earn as much as me! We must prevent this and say NO to increased bargaining power for workers!"). Its the same rhetoric used to crush unions who have good benefits ("I have bad benefits, why should that union worker have better benefits than me! Lets bust his union!"). People are screaming for a race to the bottom and shooting themselves in the foot in the process.
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Old 11-29-2016, 03:08 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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So have I.

Where one lives is a life style choice. The government has no business subsidizing a life style choice.

People in suburban areas have to knock on doors to collect money to pay for their police and fire. Or band together and form a taxing authority to fund them. We, too, could let our houses burn to the ground.

Some rural areas depend on the kindness of strangers, or their tax dollars.

The parties may advocate for more or less government through their endless propaganda. They are both about about self preservation.
I'd like to know the names of the suburban areas where people go "door to door to collect money to pay for their police and fire".
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Old 11-29-2016, 03:27 PM
 
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I'd like to know the names of the suburban areas where people go "door to door to collect money to pay for their police and fire".
I may be nutz, but not yet certified. Texas unincorporated areas cannot have ordinance making through their commissioners court. Everything urban residents expect has to come from a special purpose district that has to have approval to be created from the legislature. IIRC, Harris county has over 50 special purpose districts.

Many emergency fire and ambulance districts got approval within the last 10 years to be their own taxing authority. Prior to that, some subdivisions collected their part of the cost in their maintenance fee, others went door to door collecting from homeowners.

The county sheriff's office does not have the budget for patrolling the entire county 24/7 so most subdivisions or their water districts pay extra for law enforcement on a regular basis.
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Old 11-29-2016, 03:34 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I may be nutz, but not yet certified. Texas unincorporated areas cannot have ordinance making through their commissioners court. Everything urban residents expect has to come from a special purpose district that has to have approval to be created from the legislature. IIRC, Harris county has over 50 special purpose districts.

Many emergency fire and ambulance districts got approval within the last 10 years to be their own taxing authority. Prior to that, some subdivisions collected their part of the cost in their maintenance fee, others went door to door collecting from homeowners.
That sounds similar to the local governmental setups in many other states, the Legislature or the County, or both, have to approve incorporation of municipalities. Here in Maryland private communities can form Special Taxing Districts for targeted projects, typically roads, within the HOA.

Volunteer fire departments in many areas often do have various fundraising events, some may include going door to door.
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Old 11-29-2016, 03:45 PM
 
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That sounds similar to the local governmental setups in many other states, the Legislature or the County, or both, have to approve incorporation of municipalities. Here in Maryland private communities can form Special Taxing Districts for targeted projects, typically roads, within the HOA.

Volunteer fire departments in many areas often do have various fundraising events, some may include going door to door.

Most of the unincorporated part of Harris county is in the Extra Territorial Jurisdiction of the City of Houston. They cannot incorporate without approval from Houston. Houston has annexed the commercial areas to get their sales tax. It's a little over 2 cents. The CoH rebates half back to the MUDs. That's how many pay for extra cops.

This ain't no way to run a railroad.

If the incorporated population of Harris county were a city it would be one of the larger ones in the country.
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Old 11-29-2016, 06:38 PM
 
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LOL. For YEARS I wished that progressives would just stop. Stop with all the name calling, finger pointing and demonizing of those who disagreed with them. It was about this time last year (with the primaries in full swing) that I began to wish that progressives would just keep doing what they had been doing. Because maybe............just maybe..........conservatives (and some reasonable and rational liberals) would get angry enough to be able to stop the progressive agenda in its tracks the next election. And that is what happened.

But it wasn't just the non-stop demonization of opposing viewpoints, it was the conscious attempts (often successful) to destroy those with opposing viewpoints. Destroy their businesses. Destroy their reputations. Destroy their lives and their livelihoods.

And it wasn't just the constant demonization (including our own president demonizing us on the world stage). it was the utter nonsensical. Everything from bringing refugees into the country (when our own intelligence heads TOLD us they couldn't be vetted and Obama accused us of being afraid of women and orphans) - to uncontrolled illegal immigration - to Obamacare passing without anyone knowing what was in it - to gender neutral bathrooms in schools and gender being a social construct - to embracing a group like BLM and deliberately ignoring actual statistics on killings by police officers - to white privilege - to the maintenance of college students in perpetual childhood - and so much more.

The country was falling into an abyss of insanity of political correctness.

Black kids brazenly taking over a stage for Bernie Sanders. White college kids in a row on their knees begging forgiveness for their white privilege. A little kid being sent home from school because he ate his pop tart into the shape of a gun. Boys and girls sharing the same showers after gym class. Baltimore rioters being given "room to destroy". Safe spaces and micro aggressions. Students humiliating and yelling at dorm supervisors as though they were dogs. The open call for the death of law enforcement officers. There are hundreds of examples of the wrong, the inappropriate and the ridiculous. And it was all slowly killing this country.

And it wasn't just the insanity of political correctness. It was the corruption and the incestuousness of politicians and the media. The complete disregard for those communities that were being decimated by liberal policies. The arrogant dismissal of those without a college education. It was the declaration that climate change was the most destructive force we had to be concerned about. It was singing to heart broken Parisians that they "had a friend". It was red lines ignored and terrorist nations catered to and "workplace violence" and reset buttons and ambushed police officers and the constant, never ending. toxic, malicious drum beat that half the country was racist and sexist when it wasn't true. It was the smarmy, self righteous, superior implication (and often declaration) that liberals knew better and that conservatives were mostly old white people who (in the words of Oprah Winfrey and repeated often on this site) just needed to die.

Liberals speak of tolerance. But they don't mean it. Not really. This past 8 years have been filled with untold numbers of examples of their small minded lack of tolerance, and truthfully, this college educated, conservative woman has been disgusted by the words and actions, so many times, of so many so-called progressives.
I agree with a lot of what you said. I would clarify to say this was the states that flipped from obama to trump giving him the electoral college and the presidency.

However the majority of the people do not feel this way as evidenced that Clinton has received 2 million more votes than trump. Trump has won only 46.5 percent of the vote. Because of how we elect president individual votes do not matter. Only in certain states where the majority counts. If we elected president as we do every other government official we would be talking about President elect Clinton and not trump.
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:02 PM
 
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I agree with a lot of what you said. I would clarify to say this was the states that flipped from obama to trump giving him the electoral college and the presidency.

However the majority of the people do not feel this way as evidenced that Clinton has received 2 million more votes than trump. Trump has won only 46.5 percent of the vote. Because of how we elect president individual votes do not matter. Only in certain states where the majority counts. If we elected president as we do every other government official we would be talking about President elect Clinton and not trump.
You don't know that, and it doesn't matter anyway because that's not how we elect the president, and both candidates knew that when laying out their election strategies.

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