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You don't know that, and it doesn't matter anyway because that's not how we elect the president, and both candidates knew that when laying out their election strategies.
You are right, but our system can allow the candidate with the lesser of the amount of votes cast for them the presidency. It happened this year. We argue back and forth of whether the electoral college can stay or go. Every other elected position in the United States is done with who receives the most votes and not which states are won. I think it should go because it isn't a democratic process of electing the leader. Most of the voters in this country did not want Donald Trump president. The electoral college does not speak for the majority of the people, just states. Again undemocratic.
It proves that your vote doesn't matter, especially if you are a republican in California or a democrat in wyoming. Why vote in those states if you know your individual vote does not really matter? The electoral college is nothing more than a means of voter suppression on both sides. While the origins and reasons it exist are due to reasons That are tied to slavery
The electoral college works just as it should. It gives those states without much population a chance for their voices to be heard. Had I or you been raised in another part of the country like the Midwest - I'm sure our views would vary from those we have now due to the difference in jobs, availability of those job and upbringing. I'm sure I would have probably been a life long Republican rather than a life long Democrat being born in NY.
The Democratic mindset of many is not one of principles anymore. Many have thrown those away and have no tolerance for those who differ with us. We have dumbed down our voting preferences to something as stupid as the color of a man's skin or the gender of the candidate instead of thinking ( which is critical ) which candidate would serve we as a people best. So when we say Hillary won the popular vote - it was because of these dumbed down Democrats - who vote due to gender, skin color, what my friend is voting or what liberal teachers are telling us to do. Many Democrats no longer think for ourselves and demonstrate group stupidity. I am a life long Democrat - but wish for the way the party was 42 yrs ago when it had principles that actually mattered.
Respect for Bernie is still intact 100%. Bernie endorsed Hillary because she is a lesser evil than Trump, it's really not that complicated. Bernie did not compromise his principles when he endorsed Hillary.
Of course he compromised his "Principles" when he joined Hillary, if he ever had any. He betrayed all his supporters, and went to the "Dark Side" believing Hillary would actually do what she promised him for his support. Bernie played his supporters for fools, and the rest of the Nation was not ready to become the "United Socialist States of America." The only people that think Bernie is still demands respect, are the small group that are between Hillary Sheeple and BLM. I don't know what you would call them, other than Lame. All one has to do is watch the video of BLM taking away the Microphone from Bernie at one of his rallies, and making him look like a weak fool. If he can't stand up to a bunch of thugs, how woud he stand up for all of the rst of us? He wouldn't. He would cut and run, just like he did with Hillary.
They don't like the government telling them what to do or telling them how to live their lives. They think [the government is] coddling people, like when people's feelings are hurt at the colleges and they send somebody in to make them feel better. Stuff like that drives [voters here] crazy.
I heard a lot about the Affordable Care Act, too. About how people in the individual market were getting clobbered with all these increases, which is a legitimate issue. You know what the economics are like in Red Lake County. There's no way a family can pay $15,000, $20,000 a year for health insurance and make it work. You just can't do it. It's got to change.
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Pushing gun control drives people [in my district] crazy, gay marriage, abortion, deficit spending, you name it. All of that stuff adds up to be a problem for Democrats.
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Well, the sugar guys have been dealing with NAFTA ever since it passed. Now we've got Mexico dumping sugar that's subsidized by the Mexican government into our market in violation of the World Trade Organization, because NAFTA gave them open access to our sugar market. They claim they're not subsidized, but the government owns half the industry in Mexico.
NAFTA's been a big problem for sugar. And when it [NAFTA] was sold, we were supposed to get two or three times more exports to Canada or Mexico than they exported to us. It's been the exact opposite.
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We have become a party of assembling all these different groups, the women's caucus and the black caucus and the Hispanic caucus and the lesbian-gay-transgender caucus and so forth, and that doesn't relate to people out in rural America. The party's become an urban party, and they don't get rural America. They don't get agriculture.
There's more at the link. This is my kind of Democrat. We need more of them.
In the end, it's always the economy stupid. Too bad Hillary's team refused to listen to Bill Clinton.
Are you claiming that the GOP was against all these free trade deals?
These anti-worker trade deals were pushed by Wall Street Democrats and Wall Street/Chamber of Commerce Republicans against the will of progressive democrats. Thats just a fact.
Regarding gays, guns and abortion ban. Rural America must also consider whether these issues are so important that they are willing to live in extreme poverty and die a slow death with no health care or paid vacation. Because we must be clear, the war on rural America and working class folks will start and first up is draconian cuts in Medicaid (which of course includes nursing homes) to fund tax breaks for coastal billionaire elites.
I guess you missed the part about $15,000-$20,000 a year for Obamacare. Not a single Republican voted for it.
Drop gun control
Drop gay marriage (not gay rights, then they wouldn't be any different from Emperor Pence-atine)
Nominate people who aren't crooks
Gay marriage is already the law of the land. I predict it will be used as a social issue by both parties for years to come, but like abortion, it will remain.
Gay marriage is already the law of the land. I predict it will be used as a social issue by both parties for years to come, but like abortion, it will remain.
Yep. Another good way to distract the masses from economic inequality and corruption.
LOL. For YEARS I wished that progressives would just stop. Stop with all the name calling, finger pointing and demonizing of those who disagreed with them. It was about this time last year (with the primaries in full swing) that I began to wish that progressives would just keep doing what they had been doing. Because maybe............just maybe..........conservatives (and some reasonable and rational liberals) would get angry enough to be able to stop the progressive agenda in its tracks the next election. And that is what happened.
But it wasn't just the non-stop demonization of opposing viewpoints, it was the conscious attempts (often successful) to destroy those with opposing viewpoints. Destroy their businesses. Destroy their reputations. Destroy their lives and their livelihoods.
And it wasn't just the constant demonization (including our own president demonizing us on the world stage). it was the utter nonsensical. Everything from bringing refugees into the country (when our own intelligence heads TOLD us they couldn't be vetted and Obama accused us of being afraid of women and orphans) - to uncontrolled illegal immigration - to Obamacare passing without anyone knowing what was in it - to gender neutral bathrooms in schools and gender being a social construct - to embracing a group like BLM and deliberately ignoring actual statistics on killings by police officers - to white privilege - to the maintenance of college students in perpetual childhood - and so much more.
The country was falling into an abyss of insanity of political correctness.
Black kids brazenly taking over a stage for Bernie Sanders. White college kids in a row on their knees begging forgiveness for their white privilege. A little kid being sent home from school because he ate his pop tart into the shape of a gun. Boys and girls sharing the same showers after gym class. Baltimore rioters being given "room to destroy". Safe spaces and micro aggressions. Students humiliating and yelling at dorm supervisors as though they were dogs. The open call for the death of law enforcement officers. There are hundreds of examples of the wrong, the inappropriate and the ridiculous. And it was all slowly killing this country.
And it wasn't just the insanity of political correctness. It was the corruption and the incestuousness of politicians and the media. The complete disregard for those communities that were being decimated by liberal policies. The arrogant dismissal of those without a college education. It was the declaration that climate change was the most destructive force we had to be concerned about. It was singing to heart broken Parisians that they "had a friend". It was red lines ignored and terrorist nations catered to and "workplace violence" and reset buttons and ambushed police officers and the constant, never ending. toxic, malicious drum beat that half the country was racist and sexist when it wasn't true. It was the smarmy, self righteous, superior implication (and often declaration) that liberals knew better and that conservatives were mostly old white people who (in the words of Oprah Winfrey and repeated often on this site) just needed to die.
Liberals speak of tolerance. But they don't mean it. Not really. This past 8 years have been filled with untold numbers of examples of their small minded lack of tolerance, and truthfully, this college educated, conservative woman has been disgusted by the words and actions, so many times, of so many so-called progressives.
Wow, this is good! I would add that while it was always good to go to college, millions came of age when it wasn't necessary to go to college to make a living wage. Now they think 50-year olds should go into debt to get a degree and make themselves "marketable," when the reality is they will be unmarketable when they get out of school because who's going to hire them? Ageism is real, especially in tech.
And if they live in a small town it's even harder.
Nafta was negotiated by H. He signed it Dec of 92. then it went to the legislative branches of the governments. It was voted yea by 132 Rs and 102 Ds and nays 200. Clinton signed it into law Dec 93. He had been POTUS since January. Not much time to negotiate a treaty.
The rural areas are just about giving up control of Texas to the suburbs. I suspect they are feeling it in other places, too. Small towns started dying in my field of view 50 years ago.
Perhaps if the rural areas control we can do away with all the subsidies they get. City dwellers have been paying for their phone and electric lines for years. When the government decreed we should all have access to the internet, guess whose taxes paid for the rural areas to get that, too.
They can kiss my ass.
Let's all get personally responsible and self supporting.
A Perot Voter, twice.
So a Perot voter who doesn't remember how hard the Clintons sold NAFTA, including a debate between Al Gore and Ross Perot?
Yep. Another good way to distract the masses from economic inequality and corruption.
God Bless America.
Exactly.
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