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LOL. For YEARS I wished that progressives would just stop. Stop with all the name calling, finger pointing and demonizing of those who disagreed with them. It was about this time last year (with the primaries in full swing) that I began to wish that progressives would just keep doing what they had been doing. Because maybe............just maybe..........conservatives (and some reasonable and rational liberals) would get angry enough to be able to stop the progressive agenda in its tracks the next election. And that is what happened.
But it wasn't just the non-stop demonization of opposing viewpoints, it was the conscious attempts (often successful) to destroy those with opposing viewpoints. Destroy their businesses. Destroy their reputations. Destroy their lives and their livelihoods.
And it wasn't just the constant demonization (including our own president demonizing us on the world stage). it was the utter nonsensical. Everything from bringing refugees into the country (when our own intelligence heads TOLD us they couldn't be vetted and Obama accused us of being afraid of women and orphans) - to uncontrolled illegal immigration - to Obamacare passing without anyone knowing what was in it - to gender neutral bathrooms in schools and gender being a social construct - to embracing a group like BLM and deliberately ignoring actual statistics on killings by police officers - to white privilege - to the maintenance of college students in perpetual childhood - and so much more.
The country was falling into an abyss of insanity of political correctness.
Black kids brazenly taking over a stage for Bernie Sanders. White college kids in a row on their knees begging forgiveness for their white privilege. A little kid being sent home from school because he ate his pop tart into the shape of a gun. Boys and girls sharing the same showers after gym class. Baltimore rioters being given "room to destroy". Safe spaces and micro aggressions. Students humiliating and yelling at dorm supervisors as though they were dogs. The open call for the death of law enforcement officers. There are hundreds of examples of the wrong, the inappropriate and the ridiculous. And it was all slowly killing this country.
And it wasn't just the insanity of political correctness. It was the corruption and the incestuousness of politicians and the media. The complete disregard for those communities that were being decimated by liberal policies. The arrogant dismissal of those without a college education. It was the declaration that climate change was the most destructive force we had to be concerned about. It was singing to heart broken Parisians that they "had a friend". It was red lines ignored and terrorist nations catered to and "workplace violence" and reset buttons and ambushed police officers and the constant, never ending. toxic, malicious drum beat that half the country was racist and sexist when it wasn't true. It was the smarmy, self righteous, superior implication (and often declaration) that liberals knew better and that conservatives were mostly old white people who (in the words of Oprah Winfrey and repeated often on this site) just needed to die.
Liberals speak of tolerance. But they don't mean it. Not really. This past 8 years have been filled with untold numbers of examples of their small minded lack of tolerance, and truthfully, this college educated, conservative woman has been disgusted by the words and actions, so many times, of so many so-called progressives.
This college educated, Christian black man is in full agreement.
I think they have this red state blue state thing backwards Republicans are conservative therefore cold in liberal eyes so they should be blue...where as the DemocRats are liberal and left leaning commies they should be Red!
They don't like the government telling them what to do or telling them how to live their lives. They think [the government is] coddling people, like when people's feelings are hurt at the colleges and they send somebody in to make them feel better. Stuff like that drives [voters here] crazy.
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This is an example of the triumph of Fox news and talk radio. I know many leftists..I have never heard a single one talk about safe spaces or micro-agressions. That this is some huge problem destroying the nation is 100% a construct of right wing media and the echo chamber that perpetuates it on the internet. It's problem in a few very elite universities... that rural farmers in Minnesota are effected by exactly 0%. Yet this makes you angry enough to vote for a trickle down/gut social safety net agenda?
“The Democratic Party ceded rural America to the Republicans quite some time ago,” said Vickie Rock, a member of the Nevada State Democratic Central Committee from rural Humboldt County. “They invested nothing, they built no bench. They don’t even send out signs anymore, which is a staple of rural politics.
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“They’re not campaigning here,” said Barron, who lives in a small town in western Massachusetts. “They’re not showing up. And they’re not addressing stuff that’s important to us.”
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Democratic strategists like Barron say many in their party mistakenly see rural America as only one type of voter: white people who work on farms. That oversimplification, they say, misses the fact that many black and Latinos also live outside of cities, and that many who work there do so in industries other than agriculture.
These nonwhite voters might have cost Clinton the most: She performed poorly in rural counties populated mostly by Hispanic voters, too, as The Washington Post’s political science blog Monkey Page tabulated in a recent post. That weak showing likely accounts for why Clinton did worse than Obama with Latino voters, according to exit polls, despite Trump’s racist rhetoric about Latino immigrants.
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This is an example of the triumph of Fox news and talk radio. I know many leftists..I have never heard a single one talk about safe spaces or micro-agressions. That this is some huge problem destroying the nation is 100% a construct of right wing media and the echo chamber that perpetuates it on the internet. It's problem in a few very elite universities... that rural farmers in Minnesota are effected by exactly 0%. Yet this makes you angry enough to vote for a trickle down/gut social safety net agenda?
You know - if you just honestly look at things instead of blaming others - the information I am posting actually helps you figure out what the problem is. The Dems messed this up by their own schemes. Obama and the DNC gave up on the rural white vote back in 2011.
But hey - feel free to keep doing what you are doing and blaming others, and let's see where it gets you.
“The Democratic Party ceded rural America to the Republicans quite some time ago,†said Vickie Rock, a member of the Nevada State Democratic Central Committee from rural Humboldt County. “They invested nothing, they built no bench. They don’t even send out signs anymore, which is a staple of rural politics.
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“They’re not campaigning here,†said Barron, who lives in a small town in western Massachusetts. “They’re not showing up. And they’re not addressing stuff that’s important to us.â€
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Democratic strategists like Barron say many in their party mistakenly see rural America as only one type of voter: white people who work on farms. That oversimplification, they say, misses the fact that many black and Latinos also live outside of cities, and that many who work there do so in industries other than agriculture.
These nonwhite voters might have cost Clinton the most: She performed poorly in rural counties populated mostly by Hispanic voters, too, as The Washington Post’s political science blog Monkey Page tabulated in a recent post. That weak showing likely accounts for why Clinton did worse than Obama with Latino voters, according to exit polls, despite Trump’s racist rhetoric about Latino immigrants.
You know - if you just honestly look at things instead of blaming others - the information I am posting actually helps you figure out what the problem is. The Dems messed this up by their own schemes. Obama and the DNC gave up on the rural white vote back in 2011.
But hey - feel free to keep doing what you are doing and blaming others, and let's see where it gets you.
The item I commented on I am 100% right on..it's not blaming anything. It's a fake construct drummed into peoples heads that people are repeating like parrots that has had minimal if any effect on their lives. Most Trump voters have never stepped foot near Yale to hear SJW's yelling about Halloween costumes. They saw a video posted on a right wing blog or circulated on facebook and that is somehow some huge issue, meanwhile he just put another Goldman Sachs guy in charge of the economy. I'll tell you something that really did effect everyone in the country, most negatively..Wall St playing games with mortgages and then getting bailed out, and this guy Trump just appointed profited from it.
But oh well, some whacked out 19 year old at Yale screamed about racist costumes. Now I'll go all over the internet and post about SJW's in every comments section and forum because THAT's the countries biggest issue. I'm not a politician. I don't need to win anything. When someone is being foolish I'm going to tell them they are a moron. If someone thinks that SJW's are a huge and dangerous threat to the country so much so that they can't enter a discussion without bringing them up, that person is a fool.
So a Perot voter who doesn't remember how hard the Clintons sold NAFTA, including a debate between Al Gore and Ross Perot?
Unlike some, I understand the POTUS is not a king. The House vote.
Yes R 132 NO R 43
D 102 D 156
Clinton ws a good enough salesman to suck in Dick Army and Tom DeLay, Bill Archer and Joe Barton. But he couldn't win over Charlie Wilson, Ralph Hall, Jack Brooks or Craig Washington.
POTUS Trump cannot undo NAFTA. It will take the Congress.
All the trade agreements in the world can be controlled with what individuals do with their own pocketbooks.
They don't like the government telling them what to do or telling them how to live their lives. They think [the government is] coddling people, like when people's feelings are hurt at the colleges and they send somebody in to make them feel better. Stuff like that drives [voters here] crazy.
I heard a lot about the Affordable Care Act, too. About how people in the individual market were getting clobbered with all these increases, which is a legitimate issue. You know what the economics are like in Red Lake County. There's no way a family can pay $15,000, $20,000 a year for health insurance and make it work. You just can't do it. It's got to change.
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Pushing gun control drives people [in my district] crazy, gay marriage, abortion, deficit spending, you name it. All of that stuff adds up to be a problem for Democrats.
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Well, the sugar guys have been dealing with NAFTA ever since it passed. Now we've got Mexico dumping sugar that's subsidized by the Mexican government into our market in violation of the World Trade Organization, because NAFTA gave them open access to our sugar market. They claim they're not subsidized, but the government owns half the industry in Mexico.
NAFTA's been a big problem for sugar. And when it [NAFTA] was sold, we were supposed to get two or three times more exports to Canada or Mexico than they exported to us. It's been the exact opposite.
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We have become a party of assembling all these different groups, the women's caucus and the black caucus and the Hispanic caucus and the lesbian-gay-transgender caucus and so forth, and that doesn't relate to people out in rural America. The party's become an urban party, and they don't get rural America. They don't get agriculture.
There's more at the link. This is my kind of Democrat. We need more of them.
Unlike some, I understand the POTUS is not a king. The House vote.
Yes R 132 NO R 43
D 102 D 156
Clinton ws a good enough salesman to suck in Dick Army and Tom DeLay, Bill Archer and Joe Barton. But he couldn't win over Charlie Wilson, Ralph Hall, Jack Brooks or Craig Washington.
POTUS Trump cannot undo NAFTA. It will take the Congress.
All the trade agreements in the world can be controlled with what individuals do with their own pocketbooks.
Don't like NAFTA? Buy American.
Actually Trump can withdraw from NAFTA. He would just need to give six months notice he is withdrawing the United States as part of NAFTA. It's the way the agreement was written. Look even CNN agrees but of course says 'terrible, terrible' things would happen. But point of fact, he can withdraw from NAFTA.
The item I commented on I am 100% right on..it's not blaming anything. It's a fake construct drummed into peoples heads that people are repeating like parrots that has had minimal if any effect on their lives. Most Trump voters have never stepped foot near Yale to hear SJW's yelling about Halloween costumes. They saw a video posted on a right wing blog or circulated on facebook and that is somehow some huge issue, meanwhile he just put another Goldman Sachs guy in charge of the economy. I'll tell you something that really did effect everyone in the country, most negatively..Wall St playing games with mortgages and then getting bailed out, and this guy Trump just appointed profited from it.
But oh well, some whacked out 19 year old at Yale screamed about racist costumes. Now I'll go all over the internet and post about SJW's in every comments section and forum because THAT's the countries biggest issue. I'm not a politician. I don't need to win anything. When someone is being foolish I'm going to tell them they are a moron. If someone thinks that SJW's are a huge and dangerous threat to the country so much so that they can't enter a discussion without bringing them up, that person is a fool.
by the way, I think "SJWs" are ridiculous.
Minimal impact? What about the college presidents and professors who have lost their jobs because of it? If it was just a bunch of whiny kids crying in their free speech zones, the rest could ignore it. But people have lost jobs over it. Schools like Missou have lost a lot of money because enrollment is down. It hasn't been that minimal.
And you think conservatives are the only ones who play up things to get votes? What about years of being called racists because people had genuine disagreements with the president's policies? And who is qualified to run the economy? People who deal with money? Or would you rather have someone who doesn't know what they're doing? That's all I heard for the last year, that Trump is too inexperienced and we should put someone like Clinton in there because she has years of experience in government. Doesn't matter that her major donors were those Wall Street people too, or that she's a criminal who lied over and over again to congress and the American people. She even told those Goldman Sachs guys she has a public position and a private position.
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Minimal impact? What about the college presidents and professors who have lost their jobs because of it? If it was just a bunch of whiny kids crying in their free speech zones, the rest could ignore it. But people have lost jobs over it. Schools like Missou have lost a lot of money because enrollment is down. It hasn't been that minimal.
I'm not a fan of the thought police on college universities. I also know that 95% of the people on this forum who post about SJW's on EVERY THREAD have had 0 interaction with any such people. They saw a video and read a blog or heard about it on the radio and now somehow feel motivated that it is their lifes work bring it up..IN EVERY THREAD.
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And you think conservatives are the only ones who play up things to get votes? What about years of being called racists because people had genuine disagreements with the president's policies?
There are legitimate criticisms and there is the hypebole and thinly veiled racism. Saying Obama care is a bad policy is a legitimate criticism. Saying Obamacare is a socialist take over of health care is inaccurate partisan hyperbole. Protesting against Obamacare with sign portraying him as a witch doctor is thinly veiled racism. See the difference.
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And who is qualified to run the economy? People who deal with money? Or would you rather have someone who doesn't know what they're doing? That's all I heard for the last year, that Trump is too inexperienced and we should put someone like Clinton in there because she has years of experience in government.
No, what you heard the last year is Donald Trump bashing wall st elites because they messed with our economy, and then he appointed them to his cabinet. That's a fact.
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Doesn't matter that her major donors were those Wall Street people too, or that she's a criminal who lied over and over again to congress and the American people. She even told those Goldman Sachs guys she has a public position and a private position.
Okay, she would have appointed the same people and never said she wouldn't. The "criiminal" thing is partisan nonsense, she was careless and arrogant, not criminal. Donald Trump has changed his tune drastically on dozens of things within weeks of the election, in addition to flip flopping positions on a number of things in his time in public life. You aren't seriously going to tell me you think that Trump is any different? You aren't that naive, are you?
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