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Old 11-24-2016, 02:14 PM
 
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This is an interview with a conservative Democrat House member in Minnesota.

This is a good read if you care to know why 95+% of the counties in states not touching an ocean went red.

Why rural voters don’t vote Democratic anymore

They don't like the government telling them what to do or telling them how to live their lives. They think [the government is] coddling people, like when people's feelings are hurt at the colleges and they send somebody in to make them feel better. Stuff like that drives [voters here] crazy.

I heard a lot about the Affordable Care Act, too. About how people in the individual market were getting clobbered with all these increases, which is a legitimate issue. You know what the economics are like in Red Lake County. There's no way a family can pay $15,000, $20,000 a year for health insurance and make it work. You just can't do it. It's got to change.

...
Pushing gun control drives people [in my district] crazy, gay marriage, abortion, deficit spending, you name it. All of that stuff adds up to be a problem for Democrats.

...
Well, the sugar guys have been dealing with NAFTA ever since it passed. Now we've got Mexico dumping sugar that's subsidized by the Mexican government into our market in violation of the World Trade Organization, because NAFTA gave them open access to our sugar market. They claim they're not subsidized, but the government owns half the industry in Mexico.

NAFTA's been a big problem for sugar. And when it [NAFTA] was sold, we were supposed to get two or three times more exports to Canada or Mexico than they exported to us. It's been the exact opposite.

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We have become a party of assembling all these different groups, the women's caucus and the black caucus and the Hispanic caucus and the lesbian-gay-transgender caucus and so forth, and that doesn't relate to people out in rural America. The party's become an urban party, and they don't get rural America. They don't get agriculture.



There's more at the link. This is my kind of Democrat. We need more of them.
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Old 11-24-2016, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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I was going to say why are you blaming Democrats for Republican things but it's Thanksgiving so I forgive you.
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Old 11-24-2016, 05:51 PM
 
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I was going to say why are you blaming Democrats for Republican things but it's Thanksgiving so I forgive you.
NAFTA was bipartisan, but it was Clinton who sealed the deal.

Clinton also pushed China into the WTO.

Clinton also worked out the permanent trade deal with China.



I would encourage the Alt-Left to keep calling rural/small-town Trump voters bigots...I think you can intimidate them to your side!
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Old 11-24-2016, 06:52 PM
 
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NAFTA was bipartisan, but it was Clinton who sealed the deal.

Clinton also pushed China into the WTO.

Clinton also worked out the permanent trade deal with China.



I would encourage the Alt-Left to keep calling rural/small-town Trump voters bigots...I think you can intimidate them to your side!
Are you claiming that the GOP was against all these free trade deals?
These anti-worker trade deals were pushed by Wall Street Democrats and Wall Street/Chamber of Commerce Republicans against the will of progressive democrats. Thats just a fact.

Regarding gays, guns and abortion ban. Rural America must also consider whether these issues are so important that they are willing to live in extreme poverty and die a slow death with no health care or paid vacation. Because we must be clear, the war on rural America and working class folks will start and first up is draconian cuts in Medicaid (which of course includes nursing homes) to fund tax breaks for coastal billionaire elites.
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Old 11-24-2016, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Gods country
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This is an interview with a conservative Democrat House member in Minnesota.

This is a good read if you care to know why 95+% of the counties in states not touching an ocean went red.

Why rural voters don’t vote Democratic anymore

They don't like the government telling them what to do or telling them how to live their lives. They think [the government is] coddling people, like when people's feelings are hurt at the colleges and they send somebody in to make them feel better. Stuff like that drives [voters here] crazy.

I heard a lot about the Affordable Care Act, too. About how people in the individual market were getting clobbered with all these increases, which is a legitimate issue. You know what the economics are like in Red Lake County. There's no way a family can pay $15,000, $20,000 a year for health insurance and make it work. You just can't do it. It's got to change.

...
Pushing gun control drives people [in my district] crazy, gay marriage, abortion, deficit spending, you name it. All of that stuff adds up to be a problem for Democrats.

...
Well, the sugar guys have been dealing with NAFTA ever since it passed. Now we've got Mexico dumping sugar that's subsidized by the Mexican government into our market in violation of the World Trade Organization, because NAFTA gave them open access to our sugar market. They claim they're not subsidized, but the government owns half the industry in Mexico.

NAFTA's been a big problem for sugar. And when it [NAFTA] was sold, we were supposed to get two or three times more exports to Canada or Mexico than they exported to us. It's been the exact opposite.

...
We have become a party of assembling all these different groups, the women's caucus and the black caucus and the Hispanic caucus and the lesbian-gay-transgender caucus and so forth, and that doesn't relate to people out in rural America. The party's become an urban party, and they don't get rural America. They don't get agriculture.



There's more at the link. This is my kind of Democrat. We need more of them.
I know a lot of people in rural North Carolina. That assessment is spot on.
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Old 11-24-2016, 07:32 PM
 
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Are you claiming that the GOP was against all these free trade deals?
These anti-worker trade deals were pushed by Wall Street Democrats and Wall Street/Chamber of Commerce Republicans against the will of progressive democrats. Thats just a fact.
Exactly as I said.

Bipartisan, but Clinton sealed it and pushed for it. Most Democrats voted for it - thanks to Clinton.


If you were being less partisan you would be agreeing with me.
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Old 11-24-2016, 08:22 PM
 
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Look what Clinton did to NY.

There are homeless in the street of NY, even on 5th Ave. Vendors selling fake merchandise on 5th Ave like it was sold back in the days in China Town, but now it is sold in the middle of the day (Thanksgiving Day), openly in the street.

Homeless young people with signs that they are pregnant and hungry and it makes you wonder why they don't do what others do and stand up and get a job.

There are other young people standing near doors and telling the public what their restaurant has to offer.

Under Giuliani you didn't see these things in the middle of 5th Ave where the tourists are walking.

I remember Hillary saying during one of her rally's just in the last week prior to the elections, that she was going to try to do things.... after 30 years in government in different capacities....WOW that didn't seem to be what the public wanted to hear.

We the people aren't blind to what is going on. BTW all the homeless we saw were white people and aside from one person, they all looked in their twenties to mid thirties.
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Old 11-24-2016, 08:28 PM
 
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Exactly as I said.

Bipartisan, but Clinton sealed it and pushed for it. Most Democrats voted for it - thanks to Clinton.


If you were being less partisan you would be agreeing with me.
Nope, you claimed that NAFTA was bipartisan (Wall Street Dems and Wall Street GOP which in America means "bipartisan") and then portrayed all the other anti-worker trade deals as Democrat inventions while the GOP was fighting on the barricades to stop them.

This is a guy who has fought every one of these disasters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XIgEK6heM&t=2s
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Old 11-24-2016, 09:52 PM
 
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Look what Clinton did to NY.

There are homeless in the street of NY, even on 5th Ave. Vendors selling fake merchandise on 5th Ave like it was sold back in the days in China Town, but now it is sold in the middle of the day (Thanksgiving Day), openly in the street.

Homeless young people with signs that they are pregnant and hungry and it makes you wonder why they don't do what others do and stand up and get a job.

There are other young people standing near doors and telling the public what their restaurant has to offer.

Under Giuliani you didn't see these things in the middle of 5th Ave where the tourists are walking.

I remember Hillary saying during one of her rally's just in the last week prior to the elections, that she was going to try to do things.... after 30 years in government in different capacities....WOW that didn't seem to be what the public wanted to hear.

We the people aren't blind to what is going on. BTW all the homeless we saw were white people and aside from one person, they all looked in their twenties to mid thirties.
I didn't see this much under Bloomberg either.....pretty much just DeBlasio.
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Old 11-24-2016, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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these hindsight 20/20 conclusions are stupid if they don't consider illegals voting, electronic voting machine fraud etc. the only non-fraud related conclusion I'd give is PC spreads in urban areas and dies in rural areas.
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