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Old 11-29-2016, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Looks like NC may be getting more than just a Democratic governor. A federal court ruled that the GOP controlled general assembly must redraw their heavily gerrymandered district lines and hold a new election next year.

http://myfox8.com/2016/11/29/federal...tions-in-2017/
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:30 PM
 
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Approved by the Obama administration and the Department of Justice and upheld by the State Supreme Court... looks like another federal court judge who is a liberal idiot... will be overturned by the Supreme Court... there should be a penalty for these liberal judges who are abusing the justice system...
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:40 PM
 
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OK but how does Illinois get way with this? The ones around it are almost as crazy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illino...e:IL04_109.gif

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Old 11-29-2016, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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Approved by the Obama administration and the Department of Justice and upheld by the State Supreme Court... looks like another federal court judge who is a liberal idiot... will be overturned by the Supreme Court... there should be a penalty for these liberal judges who are abusing the justice system...
So you think its fair a GOP general assembly can gerrymander districts in such a way that makes it nearly impossible for Democrats to get elected? Im not saying Democrats are not guilty of doing the same thing. I've been saying for years an independent nonpartisan board should draw those lines, including congressional lines. State lawmakers and the U. S. Congress should not be allowed to pick it's voters. If our government leaders weren't so comfortable holding their seats maybe they would actually get something done. Gerrymandering is so undemocratic and im surprised its been legal for so long
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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So you think its fair a GOP general assembly can gerrymander districts in such a way that makes it nearly impossible for Democrats to get elected? Im not saying Democrats are not guilty of doing the same thing. I've been saying for years an independent nonpartisan board should draw those lines, including congressional lines. State lawmakers and the U. S. Congress should not be allowed to pick it's voters. If our government leaders weren't so comfortable holding their seats maybe they would actually get something done. Gerrymandering is so undemocratic and im surprised its been legal for so long
Whether its "fair" or not, this is exactly the kind of gerrymandering that the Supreme Court has upheld as constitutional. This federal district court judge is ridiculous. I can't wait for this issue to be upheld by the Supreme Court, which should be at full strength by then.
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I've been saying for years an independent nonpartisan board should draw those lines, including congressional lines.
Okay, but more bureaucracy is not required. All you need is a software program to draw the districts in a bipartisan way.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:01 PM
 
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OK but how does Illinois get way with this? The ones around it are almost as crazy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illino...e:IL04_109.gif
Oh, that's Luis Gutierrez's district. The corrupt Illinois democrat machine made a district just for Luisito the open borders fanatic and invasion cheerleader.

And libs constantly complain about republicans gerrymandering
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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Whether its "fair" or not, this is exactly the kind of gerrymandering that the Supreme Court has upheld as constitutional.
The Federal District Court of the Middle District of North Carolina interprets the Constitution somewhat differently than you do. According to them, this degree of gerrymandering exceeds the limits that the Supreme Court has deemed constitutional. Perhaps you should send them an e-mail explaining their legal shortcomings.

You can clench your little fists and make faces at your monitor all you like, but I wouldn't get my hopes up too high about the SCOTUS overturning the ruling. There don't appear to be any compelling arguments for reversing the decision. The best chance is that SCOTUS will overturn the original decision upon which this one was based, which could happen in December, but that case will be heard by an 8-justice court, which means that anything short of a 5-3 decision to overturn will leave the ruling intact. Chances are good that this one is going to stand, and considering the way the Wisconsin case seems to be going, this suggests that federal courts are finally recognizing that this unconscionable rigging of the elections system has gone too far.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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The Federal District Court of the Middle District of North Carolina interprets the Constitution somewhat differently than you do. According to them, this degree of gerrymandering exceeds the limits that the Supreme Court has deemed constitutional. Perhaps you should send them an e-mail explaining their legal shortcomings.

You can clench your little fists and make faces at your monitor all you like, but I wouldn't get my hopes up too high about the SCOTUS overturning the ruling. There don't appear to be any compelling arguments for reversing the decision. The best chance is that SCOTUS will overturn the original decision upon which this one was based, which could happen in December, but that case will be heard by an 8-justice court, which means that anything short of a 5-3 decision to overturn will leave the ruling intact. Chances are good that this one is going to stand, and considering the way the Wisconsin case seems to be going, this suggests that federal courts are finally recognizing that this unconscionable rigging of the elections system has gone too far.
I'll repeat: the Supreme Court has expressly upheld this form of gerrymandering. And once the Court is back to its full strength and a conservative majority (there will be no 4-4 split decision, assuming that Trump can get his nominee affirmed rather quickly), this decision will be reversed as going against explicit precedent. The federal district court of the middle district of North Carolina is the odd court out in this case among those courts who have looked at this issue.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:52 PM
 
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OK but how does Illinois get way with this? The ones around it are almost as crazy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illino...e:IL04_109.gif
All gerrymandering should be made illegal, both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it, and that is why Congress has the lowest approval rating, yet the highest reelection rating. Everyone should be upset about this and want to do away with this. It is good to see NC finally doing away with it, Illinois should follow them.
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