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When you total up all the votes cast in this presidential election, Hillary Clinton wins it by 2 million+. No question about it. I'm not even going to bother bringing up all these unproven claims of voter fraud or conveniently take a state out that would produce my desired result like so many others here are doing. But I got curious and wondered what the totals would be if we only used those votes that actually counted. That is, we only add the votes that actually determined a winner in a given state. For example, we don't count Republican votes in California, and we don't count Democrat votes in Texas, since those votes, in all reality, don't count, have no effect, and are basically dead votes / moot.
I did the math. After adding all the votes, the alternative popular vote count comes to:
Trump: 40,809,583
Clinton: 33,305,545
So if we only use the votes that counted in this election, Trump wins the popular vote quite handily. NO, it doesn't change anything but it's a fun fact for all the data wonks.
Interesting and hearing that at some precincts in Detroit more votes were cast than ballots given out, in heavily Democratic areas! How is that possible?
Are you saying that some votes count more than others? I'm more for the concept of one person, one vote It's probably too late for this current election, but let's make the next Presidential election about the National Popular Vote
If the next "trumpster" can dupe the majority to vote for him, well we deserve that.
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When you total up all the votes cast in this presidential election, Hillary Clinton wins it by 2 million+. No question about it. I'm not even going to bother bringing up all these unproven claims of voter fraud or conveniently take a state out that would produce my desired result like so many others here are doing. But I got curious and wondered what the totals would be if we only used those votes that actually counted. That is, we only add the votes that actually determined a winner in a given state. For example, we don't count Republican votes in California, and we don't count Democrat votes in Texas, since those votes, in all reality, don't count, have no effect, and are basically dead votes / moot.
I did the math. After adding all the votes, the alternative popular vote count comes to:
Trump: 40,809,583
Clinton: 33,305,545
So if we only use the votes that counted in this election, Trump wins the popular vote quite handily. NO, it doesn't change anything but it's a fun fact for all the data wonks.
I don't really care who purportedly won the popular vote in our electoral college race. Moreover, I'm tired of hearing the 'sour grapes' that Clinton purportedly won the popular vote and should (in some alternate universe) now be President.
That's a lot like saying the person who ran around the hurdles in a high-hurdle race actually won because they got to the finish line faster ... instead of losing because they didn't actually jump over the hurdles.
Are you saying that some votes count more than others?
I'm not saying it, it's a fact. Hillary Clinton got tens of thousands of votes in Texas, yet none of the electoral votes, because she lost that state. Trump got tens of thousands of votes in California, yet none of the electoral votes, because he lost that state. Same with all other states. Therefore, the only votes that technically count, are the votes that produce the winner in a given state.
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I'm more for the concept of one person, one vote It's probably too late for this current election, but let's make the next Presidential election about the National Popular Vote
If the next "trumpster" can dupe the majority to vote for him, well we deserve that.
I'm not. The founders were genius in setting up checks and balances and protecting against tyranny of the majority. That is why we are not, never have been, and were not designed to be a people/majority rule government. I'm not interested in telling 46 states that they basically have no say in presidential elections. But alas, discussing this issue further would exceed the scope of this thread.
The founders were genius in ... protecting against tyranny of the majority. That is why we are not, never have been, and were not designed to be a people/majority rule government.
That was a gazillion years ago. I think if the founders were around today, and were told that the majority vote was irrelevant, they'd say "what's wrong with you dude?"
That was a gazillion years ago. I think if the founders were around today, and were told that the majority vote was irrelevant, they'd say "what's wrong with you dude?"
That's exactly why they came up with the electoral college. And it works the way it was designed to work, albeit not to dems liking this time around, dude.
That's exactly why they came up with the electoral college. And it works the way it was designed to work, albeit not to dems liking this time around, dude.
One person, less one vote - the modern slavery. I'm guessing the flyover states and the breitbart's are so loving this.
But I think the flyover people will be the ultimate trumpian sacrifice.
Bring back coalminer jobs whooo hoooo. Not going to happen. The economics don't support it.
And some in power actually care about our planet's future (my wishful thinking).
Interesting and hearing that at some precincts in Detroit more votes were cast than ballots given out, in heavily Democratic areas! How is that possible?
Interesting and hearing that at some precincts in Detroit more votes were cast than ballots given out, in heavily Democratic areas! How is that possible?
They tried to explain it away by saying that 80 something ballot counting machines that all passed inspection and worked fine in the pre-election inspections broke down on election day.....and only in deep blue precincts (in Detroit, Flint, and Lansing) and the precinct staff forgot their training and didn't reset their counters when they had to rerun ballots through the machine multiple times........not realizing that it was actually counting it over and over again.........
It will likely lead to an audit and make it harder for Democrats to cheat in the future.
Thanks Stein! :-)
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