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Old 12-21-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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Wow - if you do not count CA and NY, Trump was ahead by 3 million in popular vote.
Wow, if you don't count Texas then Clinton wins the Electoral College and the election!

 
Old 12-21-2016, 09:41 AM
 
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FYI: Mr. Trump did not write the article.
Believe me, I never thought that Mr. Trump wrote the article on behalf of the British magazine. And I did not read it. However, I did read your post, which obviously indicated approval of the argument made in the linked article, to which I responded.


Furthermore, it is well known that Mr. Trump is on record as claiming that he 'won' the popular vote, by arguing, without any evidence whatsoever, that Ms. Clinton's margin of victory in the popular vote was due to 3 million illegals voting. He also claimed that his 306 electoral votes constituted a 'landslide' of Biblical proportion. Of course, since he has made his thoughts known, his supporters have frantically attempted to support his claims.


This is not the first thread started on this subject. I doubt it will be the last. Indeed, I imagine that Mr. Trump himself will keep the flame going on occasion, even after assuming the mantle of President of the United States of America.


I can understand the frustration that some Trump supporters have, for they will hear, from time to time, of how Mr. Trump does not have a 'mandate' from the voting public. I have little sympathy for such people.


I have observed people, like Mr. Trump, argue that Mr. Obama was not legitimately the president based on utterly false information. I recall, after Mr. Obama was elected in November 2008, of people taking to the streets and chanting about the need to 'take our country back'. I watched as Republican leaders frankly state that they would block any and all proposals by Mr. Obama, despite his winning his two elections by significant margins over his opponents. I watched as the Republicans in the Senate abandoned their Constitutionally mandated duty to 'advise and consent' to Mr. Obama's Supreme Court nominee (as I said before, they could have easily held a hearing, then voted Mr. Garland down, and so strung out the proceedings to now). Instead, they fed the public baloney about waiting until the public spoke in November 2016. We all recall how they began to panic when it appeared that Ms. Clinton would win, and how some Republican Senators even floated the idea of voting on Mr. Garland, or how nutters like Senator Ted Cruz (born in Canada) even spoke of how there was no need for nine justices, after all.


So, you will forgive me if I do not weep tears over the fact that Mr. Trump will face Democrats claiming that he has no 'mandate'. If he were a mature man, he would ignore such claims and get on with the job he promised to do. The Republicans, after all, hold both the Senate and House. Yet, it is not in his nature to ignore such things. He is so easily needled that he will keep this 'non issue' going for months.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 10:11 AM
 
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Believe me, I never thought that Mr. Trump wrote the article on behalf of the British magazine. And I did not read it. However, I did read your post, which obviously indicated approval of the argument made in the linked article, to which I responded.


Furthermore, it is well known that Mr. Trump is on record as claiming that he 'won' the popular vote, by arguing, without any evidence whatsoever, that Ms. Clinton's margin of victory in the popular vote was due to 3 million illegals voting. He also claimed that his 306 electoral votes constituted a 'landslide' of Biblical proportion. Of course, since he has made his thoughts known, his supporters have frantically attempted to support his claims.


This is not the first thread started on this subject. I doubt it will be the last. Indeed, I imagine that Mr. Trump himself will keep the flame going on occasion, even after assuming the mantle of President of the United States of America.


I can understand the frustration that some Trump supporters have, for they will hear, from time to time, of how Mr. Trump does not have a 'mandate' from the voting public. I have little sympathy for such people.


I have observed people, like Mr. Trump, argue that Mr. Obama was not legitimately the president based on utterly false information. I recall, after Mr. Obama was elected in November 2008, of people taking to the streets and chanting about the need to 'take our country back'. I watched as Republican leaders frankly state that they would block any and all proposals by Mr. Obama, despite his winning his two elections by significant margins over his opponents. I watched as the Republicans in the Senate abandoned their Constitutionally mandated duty to 'advise and consent' to Mr. Obama's Supreme Court nominee (as I said before, they could have easily held a hearing, then voted Mr. Garland down, and so strung out the proceedings to now). Instead, they fed the public baloney about waiting until the public spoke in November 2016. We all recall how they began to panic when it appeared that Ms. Clinton would win, and how some Republican Senators even floated the idea of voting on Mr. Garland, or how nutters like Senator Ted Cruz (born in Canada) even spoke of how there was no need for nine justices, after all.


So, you will forgive me if I do not weep tears over the fact that Mr. Trump will face Democrats claiming that he has no 'mandate'. If he were a mature man, he would ignore such claims and get on with the job he promised to do. The Republicans, after all, hold both the Senate and House. Yet, it is not in his nature to ignore such things. He is so easily needled that he will keep this 'non issue' going for months.
Believe me, you will never hear me complain that DJT lost the popular vote. I am content with the electoral win because, as you know, that is the only win that counts!
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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If you discount their votes, are you gonna take their tax money?
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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If you discount their votes, are you gonna take their tax money?
Nobody is discounting their votes. They were counted and each state received the electoral votes for the winning candidate. Got it!
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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If you discount their votes, are you gonna take their tax money?
If they keep all the tax liabilities for the people in their state (i.e. all the illegals and government dependents) then I have no problem letting CA and NY residents keep their tax dollars.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:18 PM
 
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I really thought most people was smart enough to realize that the score on the scoreboard at the end of the game determined who won . Guess not !
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by lisanicole1 View Post


Less CA and NY Trump won popular vote by 3 Million
Last I looked, both states are still in the Union and I'm guessing are two of the biggest payers into our United States Treasury and generators of commerce for our country.

I'm not sure why'd you'd "less CA and NY" - because without those two states, we'd be SOL.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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Lots of Trump voters stayed home in california and new york.
 
Old 12-21-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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I wish Gary Johnson would sue NY and California to force them to do recounts. I am sure quite a lot of voter fraud would be uncovered if a thorough investigation were done. In California, I'm confident hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants voted, if not millions.
If we're going to do that, we should investigate voter suppression in key states, as well. All those illegally-purged voter roles that violated the Voting Rights Act, the closed or understaffed polling places, the voter ID requirements in certain states, etc. Let's clean up all aspects of the voting process.

And btw, in the last few elections, fraud was investigated, and extremely few incidents were found. There hasn't been any mass fraud. OTOH, in the Bush/Kerry election, it was proven in federal court that rural Hispanic and Native American precincts in New Mexico, a consistently Dem state in the previous several Presidential elections, had been given rigged voting machines that caused votes for Kerry to be dropped, so those electronic ballots came out blank. As a result, voting machines are now illegal in NM: paper ballots only.


So, yeah: you want investigations? Let's do investigations. Be careful what you wish for.
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