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800 jobs is a joke when we are losing millions. Carrier is sending the rest of their jobs overseas or to mexico so what are you talking about. This won't stop jobs going overseas where labor is cheaper. There is no penalty for them do to that. No this is called Trump trying to be a bully and companies calling him out on it. LOL Sorry, some see right through Trump and won't play his games. And his business skills are dubious since many of his businesses went bankrupt
Corporations are global. In many cases, if they want to sell their product in third world countries, than they have to make that product in third world countries. You're never going to get the costs down far enough unless you use cheap labor, automate, or just decide not to produce the product for sale in third world countries. Would you rather corporations give up on trying to make products for third world markets? Why should you deny third world workers a chance to hold a job and provide for their families?
Corporations can produce goods in the US, and sell to the US, while making a healthy profit. By introducing tariffs into the equation, corporations would have even more incentive to manufacture in the US. This alone will create hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of new manufacturing jobs. It may also revitalize and revive industries that have been on life support for 30 years or more.
The US will be a job creating engine of organic economic wealth and prosperity once more. We will no longer look up to politicians and banksters for answers and solutions. America will be strong, self sufficient, and capable of solving it's own problems without outside interference. What is most important is that everybody will have a chance to enjoy the fruits of capitalism, while doing their part to solidify this nation's strength. A nation's greatest asset is it's people, and soon we will all see this to be true.
"The people hit the hardest are a lot of the demographics that went heavily for Trump."
"Others who didn't take Trump literally may soon face the same dilemma. The Urban Institute estimated this month that under the partial repeal plan previously passed by Republicans in Congress, 30?million people would lose insurance, 82 percent of them would be in working families and 56 percent would be white. Among adults who would lose insurance, 80 percent don't have college degrees..."
"Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump's promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump's strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes...
"Such actions, undertaken by Trump and his Cabinet of billionaires, bankers and business tycoons, could cause some of those working-class Trump supporters to regret that they didn't take Trump's campaign utterances literally."
—Dana Millbank column, Salt Lake Tribune
Policies like those promising to come out of Trump's Cabinet don't look too good for the working class.
All that poorer Trump voters could see was the wall (and promise of mfg jobs which will probably never return in real numbers). The wall will probably never get built but that will be overlooked by supporters.
Don't kid yourself, Donald Trump is far from stupid. He played the American working class like a fiddle. Now they will get thrown under the bus, because he's done with them. Oh he'll throw them a few bones like Carrier to keep stringing them along - once again he's NOT stupid. Is anyone really surprised at this outcome?
Corporations are global. In many cases, if they want to sell their product in third world countries, than they have to make that product in third world countries. You're never going to get the costs down far enough unless you use cheap labor, automate, or just decide not to produce the product for sale in third world countries. Would you rather corporations give up on trying to make products for third world markets? Why should you deny third world workers a chance to hold a job and provide for their families?
Corporations can produce goods in the US, and sell to the US, while making a healthy profit. By introducing tariffs into the equation, corporations would have even more incentive to manufacture in the US. This alone will create hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of new manufacturing jobs. It may also revitalize and revive industries that have been on life support for 30 years or more.
The US will be a job creating engine of organic economic wealth and prosperity once more. We will no longer look up to politicians and banksters for answers and solutions. America will be strong, self sufficient, and capable of solving it's own problems without outside interference. What is most important is that everybody will have a chance to enjoy the fruits of capitalism, while doing their part to solidify this nation's strength. A nation's greatest asset is it's people, and soon we will all see this to be true.
Of course little of that is going to happen. Economics will rear it's ugly head - what do I mean?
Well are you going to pay $2000 for a TV made in the USA when you can get one for 800 made overseas ?
If Trump mandates imported TVs to have a 25% tariff then their cost will go up by 25% plus demand will fall. Have you been to Europe ? Both France and Germany make many of their own consumer durables in-country and everyone pays much more than we do in the USA. That may contribute to more jobs but you are going to be able to afford much less. Your budget is not going to go very far. Higher prices = less demand = less jobs.
I am all for US aggressively protecting US jobs but there is no free lunch. What we may end up with is higher prices for some protected industries which allows everyone to buy less. This is akin to the public supporting the winners (i.e. govt protected industries). Perhaps we should try this first in the Healthcare industry so everyone can have insurance.
Of course little of that is going to happen. Economics will rear it's ugly head - what do I mean?
Well are you going to pay $2000 for a TV made in the USA when you can get one for 800 made overseas ?
If Trump mandates imported TVs to have a 25% tariff then their cost will go up by 25% plus demand will fall. Have you been to Europe ? Both France and Germany make many of their own consumer durables in-country and everyone pays much more than we do in the USA. That may contribute to more jobs but you are going to be able to afford much less. Your budget is not going to go very far. Higher prices = less demand = less jobs.
I am all for US aggressively protecting US jobs but there is no free lunch. What we may end up with is higher prices for some protected industries which allows everyone to buy less. This is akin to the public supporting the winners (i.e. govt protected industries). Perhaps we should try this first in the Healthcare industry so everyone can have insurance.
European manufacturers find ways to maximize the output and productive potential of their workforce. This often means investing in modern equipment, and investing in their workforce. US corporations will do the same, or operate on a limited scale due to lack of demand. The choice is theirs.
As for US workers, there won't be any free lunches. If you want something, you will have to earn it. The most basic way is to get a job. Not a difficult concept to grasp. This is an effective formula for success in modern civilization. Those that choose not to contribute to civilization can do without.
How did that "work" for the lower middle class and the poorer classes en masse in this country?
Isn't that why Trump got in—trickle down trickled up?
First the most obvious flaw in your response is
There is NO SUCH THING as trickle down economic policies.. Its nothing more than a sound bite for the stupid..
and the second dumb thing, is that someone needs to point out to you that the rich, dont get rich, without employees. I've NEVER met a rich individual that didnt create wealth for their employees. May not be the type of wealth you want, but no one forces you to take a job..
Of course little of that is going to happen. Economics will rear it's ugly head - what do I mean?
Well are you going to pay $2000 for a TV made in the USA when you can get one for 800 made overseas ?
If Trump mandates imported TVs to have a 25% tariff then their cost will go up by 25% plus demand will fall. Have you been to Europe ? Both France and Germany make many of their own consumer durables in-country and everyone pays much more than we do in the USA. That may contribute to more jobs but you are going to be able to afford much less. Your budget is not going to go very far. Higher prices = less demand = less jobs.
I am all for US aggressively protecting US jobs but there is no free lunch. What we may end up with is higher prices for some protected industries which allows everyone to buy less. This is akin to the public supporting the winners (i.e. govt protected industries). Perhaps we should try this first in the Healthcare industry so everyone can have insurance.
competition will keep process in check, because American consumers demand the possible price. The deal our product he taxed heavily from other countries. SA South America has tax in us products.
Reagan was a huge success for the non-poor majority; and a miserable failure for the poor minority. As a near-poor rent serf, the Reagan tax cuts made me worse off because my tax cut was more than offset by five rent increases in five years. Reagan even got Congress to adopt the insane policy of effectively imposing a 100% penalty on welfare recipients who had the audacity to EARN INCOME.
Trump will prove to be a miserable failure for the rent serfs of America, and will unite the left in opposition.
You still whining because you learned computer programming 20 years ago, but still havent put it to good use? Blaming the rest of society for your unwillingness to do so?
Trump et al does not get that, at all. Job training programs will be cut. The people trapped in mill towns and small communities all over the country with little to no updated education are going to fall to the needs of human services, of which there will be little, according to election rhetoric. The great divide between rich and poor, already to huge, will be more so.
Of course, his choice for Dept. of Education is someone who wants to take money away from the public education system, so that it can be given to those who want to use taxpayer money to send their kids to specific schools at the public's expense. Do ya see a lot of those schools in poor neighborhoods, that would be easily accessible to poor people? Will there be any movement towards making public schools more in tune with the current century for the bulk of those who attend them? Of course not.
Perhaps it is time to get past the election, and look to the future. Examine the statements, plans, and staffing choices of the incoming president. Some people are actually doing that.
That's what the media want you to think, the working class poor didn't VOTE for Trump, they don't VOTE!
Oh really? Then how do you explain Trump winning the rust belt states?
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