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That's what's so amazing. His 'agenda' hasn't been put into action yet. But already it has saved jobs at Carrier, we read that US Steel is going to bring jobs back, foreign companies have pledged to invest in the U.S. economy, Apple is going to start building iPhones in the US, and there have been many other promising signs, like the markets booming for the first time in eight years.
When businesses start expanding, and jobs are being created at a pace not seen since Ronald Reagan, you can continue to whine instead of taking advantage of the situation and improving your own life.
My life is fine. I am retired, not wealthy, but comfortable. I have four grown kids and three grandkids. I am not looking out for my own life, I'm looking out for theirs. And for your kids, if you have any. We'll see how long the market continues, and what kinds of jobs are "saved." Without nationwide job training, those jobs will continue to go global. Every time I have Mac problems I'm on the phone with someone in India, etc. When I have a problem with an amazon order, I don't think I'm talking with someone in the U.S. You just can't beat those upcoming countries when it comes to tech smarts and ability to work for less. Even if you can barely understand what they're saying.
I don't quote the "far right" and your attempt at insult (anti-education) demonstrates that you lack argument based on fact or logic. I have a masters in electrical engineering. If you want to go "titt for tatt" level of education, I will be glad to.
I have a master's too. So what does that prove? Many in the "Cabinet" have advanced education and are billionaires and are still pretty dumb (there's no manmade climate change, etc etc). I guess they are your winners. Let's see what they can do for everyone else, besides themselves.
PS: And when Obama won against all odds, did you go with him too?
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That's what the media want you to think, the working class poor didn't VOTE for Trump, they don't VOTE!
Oh they voted alright, unlike many working class Dems who thought it was in the bag for Hillary, so why bother. The Dems did not get their traditional constituency. Besides so many Dems not voting, many got confused amid the mess of ridiculous rhetoric (lock her up, build a wall) and did not concentrate on the [i]real policies that will affect them and their families[/I and they voted for Trump.
According to your profile you live in swift water, Pennsylvania. Northwest PA is not a booming economy. There are plenty of permanent jobs in Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina. Why are you choosing to stay in a place where the economy is in decline or stagnant? I understand you are retired but what is the incentive for a young professional to stay there? Those places I mentioned are begging for full time workers. I'd also throw in Atlanta Georgia and Florida.
They refuse to leave their enclaves to go where the jobs are. Also an issue with factory workers/coal miners in Appalachia. They DEMAND that good jobs come to them.
If Trump succeeds in 'creating' more jobs; it will encourage employers to again pay more, offer permanent positions, benefits and respect to their employees - that is what competition does when there are more jobs and fewer employees.
Uh, no. He hasn't. IF you are talking about 700 measly jobs in Indiana - no.
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Give me a break! The economy is stronger than ever. The rust belt states havent been part of that growth and are left behind. Life could not be better for finding a job in coastal states, southwest or the south. States like PA voted for trump because instead of learning new skills and moving to where the jobs are these people want the government to rework trade deals to provide them jobs in their small dying cities and towns across the rustbelt. This is no different than welfare. Again are we truly a capitalistic economy or a socialist one? Jobs will never come back to these small towns. Gone are the days where you get a high paying job doing the same thing for 30 years while not leaning new skills. Trump has promised the glory days of the past. Most of these white rural voters do not qualify for jobs in the 21st century. They lack the skills education and training. Plus how many of them are in good health and can pass a drug test?
Where is the history that trump has ever done the right thing or treated workers with respect over his 70 years? There is none. These rural white voters are suckers and did not research.
The moral of this story is the United States is a great country and you can make a good living for yourself. You will just have to move elsewhere to get that high paying job. You cannot sit at home all day waiting for the government to provide good paying jobs for you in your rust belt town so you can live down the street from mom and dad
Bingo. How many of us have had to move to keep or accept our good jobs? Many o fus.
The Trump is not in Office yet and you dopes are prediction the next Great Depression. Trump has proven the left wrong so many times, I will be happy to see a prosperous new year for this country.
He made the call and explained how a Trump Administration would handle Corp Tax rates.
Obama on the other had did not even pick up the phone. Even though he has done this with the GM Bail out.
The Owners of Carrier have said differently and Ford is stay in in KY. That is the real point.
People jobs are saved and a working America is better than a subsidized America.
I know exactly why trump won. Rural America was made promises that jobs were going to comeback to the rust belt. On top of these people being tired of called racist if they disagree with the liberal social stuff. The economy is number 1 in these areas. Again if your son has the background you say he does there is a place he can make a good living for himself in America. However that opportunity probably doesn't exist in Monroe county pa. Again in a capitalism type of economy there are winners and losers. You need to move to where the jobs are. If he refuses to look in the other 49 states for employment and chooses to live in your basement that is his problem. Shame on you as well for coddling him and encouraging him to stay while the government promises to bring jobs to the area. It is no different than somebody in a densely urban area on welfare. You both want the government to provide for you.
Mark my words. The sunbelt, south and west will continue to grow while rural areas of the rust belt continue to lose jobs and population. Rural pa and the rust belt will continue to die off and decline. We are a global economy and technology has evolved. What part of this don't you understand? It doesn't matter who the president is. You either embrace it or get left behind
There is no simple solution. Your Sun Belt also has problems: What's Wrong With Georgia? - The Atlantic. I also did not forget that automation is knocking at the door and supposed to replace one third of the American workforce in the next ten years.
So how are we going to employ Americans? You cannot continue to welcome anybody and everybody as our jobs disappear. Nor can we reward those businesses that want to produce cheap good in other countries only to be sold again in our market. There will be no market if nobody works. Somehow we have to have a balance. We need a politician or businessman that looks at the problem differently - that is why we chose Trump. Hillary represented the same old Pay to Play politics and we would continue to go downhill. She had no game plan. You also have not addressed the part-time (temp) job problem.
There is no simple solution. Your Sun Belt also has problems: What's Wrong With Georgia? - The Atlantic. I also did not forget that automation is knocking at the door and supposed to replace one third of the American workforce in the next ten years.
So how are we going to employ Americans? You cannot continue to welcome anybody and everybody as our jobs disappear. Nor can we reward those businesses that want to produce cheap good in other countries only to be sold again in our market. There will be no market if nobody works. Somehow we have to have a balance. We need a politician or businessman that looks at the problem differently - that is why we chose Trump. Hillary represented the same old Pay to Play politics and we would continue to go downhill. She had no game plan. You also have not addressed the part-time (temp) job problem.
Amen. For one thing we need to emulate 1925-1964 when we brought immigration to a crawl. I would like it limited to those in non mainstream, highly specialized fields already holding the equivalent of a US Masters degree. Do that until, if at some point, we start seeing US population declines, at a national level.
Trump has already brought and saved 10s of 1000s of jobs and he isn't even president yet.
Tens of thousands? wow, please be sure to cite source.
Re: Carrier
"....a union representing the workers at Carrier accused Trump of deception over the number of factory jobs that would be staying in the United States instead of moving to Mexico. Trump had been bragging about saving 1,100 jobs, however the true figure is actually only 730. And because another Carrier plant is closing in the state, this means that Carrier will be moving approximately 1,300 jobs to Mexico, which includes about 550 from the Indianapolis plant. This deal is turning out to be the exact opposite of what Trump said it would be."
Don't kid yourself, Donald Trump is far from stupid. He played the American working class like a fiddle. Now they will get thrown under the bus, because he's done with them. Oh he'll throw them a few bones like Carrier to keep stringing them along - once again he's NOT stupid. Is anyone really surprised at this outcome?
Sorry, but he IS stupid. He knows how to play the system to make yuge bucks, and daddy set him up, that's all. He made it big on TV, that's all. He knows people, that's all. And yes you're right, he played the masses like a fiddle.
He has picked people for his Cabinet who will do the dirty work of dismantling post-WW II American values. Kind of like the English kings in the 16th C. Relegate your agenda to the ruthless who will carry it all out. Keep the employees of hotels hopping, bring in revenue from vast personal investments. Sip your drink in Largo a Mar...oops, Mar a Lago. You and me? Ha.
Hillary would have maintained the status quo, which wasn't so great but not nearly so devastating.
When will everyone wake up and realize that the power brokers of this world do NOT give a fig about the masses, they will just invent things in the media to distract us. Nothing like an OJ Simpson trial or a Monica Lewinsky scandal to distract us.
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Tens of thousands? wow, please be sure to cite source.