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Old 12-27-2016, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Welcome to the new America and it has been like that for some time now. And due to the globalization going on it will not change anytime soon. You either adapt to the game and swim or drown. Job Security there is no job security and alot of jobs do not have decent benefits. I don't see that changing with employers looking to cut costs and put more profits in their pockets. Also Trump is against Unions, I wonder why. I thought unions are there to protect the workers and he want to see these gone. Alot of the younger generation will have to struggle now to get what their parents had due to US corporate greed and the choices their parents made.
And that is why I did vote for Trump! I don't know what trump will do or not do to the unions? Of course he had to work with them to get his projects completed and they were a thorn in his side. He has been busy divesting himself from most of his businesses and he campaigned as a populist. Many of his supporters are or were in unions. However; he could be on a collision course with the teacher's union and other civil service sectors - time will tell.

Right now many of us are waiting to see his first 100 days. Some of us are optimistic and some pessimistic. Can America change for the better? We will find out.

 
Old 12-27-2016, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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I hope trump succeeds. I am just pointing out that a lot of what you want has been the cornerstone of what Bernie Sanders has stood for. I am an independent and will vote for the best candidate that I see fit. You keep referring to Clinton, but this conversation isn't about her. She lost and her political career is over. Politics in this country ebbs and flows. It was the republicans turn to win the White House. Those winning for a 3rd term with the same party has happened twice over the last 100 plus years. We have had two candidates lose the popular vote but win the White House twice over the last 20 years. That is more of a story than Anything.

What gives you hope that trump is going to fix this? Where is his history of helping others and not exploiting others? How is sitting in your parents basement with a college degree in an economically depressed town waiting for the government to act and fix your economy different than welfare?

Trade deals are in place and technology continues to evolve. Trump will not be able to stop either from occurring. You either change and evolve or get left behind. There are plenty of manufacturing jobs that employers cannot fill because there are few people that qualify for them to high tech and way more critical thinking than any low watt from the rust belt can muster. Few people in the rust belt qualify for these jobs. You and your other rural people have become angry because you are left behind economically. Yet you refuse to move or try and educate yourself and blame others for your misfortunes. You aren't victims just the long term casualties that occurred after 8 years of the Reagan administration economic policy where the 30 year blue collar Groundhog Day job disappeared and we pointed toward a globalization path. He even told people in Pa back in the 80s the jobs were never coming back like how it once was and you have to move to get a good job. Why haven't you and the few million others across the rust belt listened to him? Why 30 plus years later are you shocked and angry that jobs haven't returned? Ronnie told you they were never coming back.
Yes on all. Except for one thing. You talk of moving somewhere else, and implied in that is getting training. Even lower level training programs cost a fair amount of money, as does moving. You have to move to a hotter job climate and rents in those places are typically sky high. You need first and last months rent plus security deposit, plus utilities. You need to be able to break your former lease without legal problems. You need reliable transportation and to be able to pay all the bills around that. If you have family/kids, you may have to leave them at the former residence, paying for two residences. How many unemployed/underemployed individuals can do that, even if they desperately want to?
 
Old 12-27-2016, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Originally Posted by Dudley_Dawson View Post
I hope trump succeeds. I am just pointing out that a lot of what you want has been the cornerstone of what Bernie Sanders has stood for. I am an independent and will vote for the best candidate that I see fit. You keep referring to Clinton, but this conversation isn't about her. She lost and her political career is over. Politics in this country ebbs and flows. It was the republicans turn to win the White House. Those winning for a 3rd term with the same party has happened twice over the last 100 plus years. We have had two candidates lose the popular vote but win the White House twice over the last 20 years. That is more of a story than Anything.

What gives you hope that trump is going to fix this? Where is his history of helping others and not exploiting others? How is sitting in your parents basement with a college degree in an economically depressed town waiting for the government to act and fix your economy different than welfare?

Trade deals are in place and technology continues to evolve. Trump will not be able to stop either from occurring. You either change and evolve or get left behind. There are plenty of manufacturing jobs that employers cannot fill because there are few people that qualify for them to high tech and way more critical thinking than any low watt from the rust belt can muster. Few people in the rust belt qualify for these jobs. You and your other rural people have become angry because you are left behind economically. Yet you refuse to move or try and educate yourself and blame others for your misfortunes. You aren't victims just the long term casualties that occurred after 8 years of the Reagan administration economic policy where the 30 year blue collar Groundhog Day job disappeared and we pointed toward a globalization path. He even told people in Pa back in the 80s the jobs were never coming back like how it once was and you have to move to get a good job. Why haven't you and the few million others across the rust belt listened to him? Why 30 plus years later are you shocked and angry that jobs haven't returned? Ronnie told you they were never coming back.
You keep talking about moving - I don't want to move; you move! Look over my post; I am not complaining about the money I am making or the area I live in - you are. You keep talking about getting more training or education - our son has over 160 IQ and was listed, by Johns Hopkins, as the 6th smartest person in America when he was 13. Right now he is tutoring until he can find another research position - of course that will be out of the area. You, like most on the left, have all the answers.

Both my wife and I were also Independents until we switched to vote for Trump. I was a Democrat for most of my life. We will switch back again if Trump does not come through with his promises. But we are willing to give him a chance; which is more than most are willing to do today. To me it sounds as if more are afraid that Trump will succeed. It is like people ask for change; but they really do not want change. And, of course, with change will come winners and losers - many are afraid they will be on the wrong side.

I have my own reservations about Trump because I am an atheist. I worry about religious politicians stamping on the toes of other religions or on the non-religious. But, with what both the Republicans and Democrats have done to American workers in the last 40 years; we need a change and I hope it works.
 
Old 12-27-2016, 09:43 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Bernie stood for everything I opposed - more freebies at our expense. Plus he had a worse record on the open door policy than Hillary.

Now, getting back to part-time jobs under Obama; is this what you want for America? Unless you can address issues like this one; the Democrats will have a long draught. Trump was down in the pits, he shook the hands and met the people. Hillary was aloof; to say the least. It looked like her audience was paid - she spent enough money on the campaign to pay them! $1.2 billion would have given Flint one of the best public water systems in the Nation.

Unless the Democrats can find some young smart guys or gals that again try to reign in our workers; you are not going anyplace. Ivanka will be in a better position than the 'same old' out of the Democrats for the next Presidential election or the one after that. All Trump has to do is work for the people here in this country and you will not stand a chance.
Trump is going to have four long years to see if he can deliver on any of his promises. Expecations are high due to all his campaign promises.

Bring back coal! Bring back manufacturing!

We will see.

PS: Hillary's audience was not paid. Plenty of people were excited to see and vote for her. It's why she got 3 million more votes than Trump.

PPS: Why are we 'reigning in our workers'?
 
Old 12-27-2016, 09:44 AM
 
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Actually,the poor citizens of Indiana will pay dearly.

Even Sarah Palin thought it was a bad idea.

Also,you keep forgetting about the 800 who will still lose their jobs.
I do not know where you are getting the information from , but Jobs were saved because of a better future business incentive.


the Union bosses was less than pleased , but the members had a great Christmas and a good out look for 2017.


Obama has created this negative business atmosphere for Globalism. Carrier is one many issue over 8 years of companies moving on.
 
Old 12-27-2016, 09:50 AM
 
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Talking The Future is Bright!

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Originally Posted by Ringo1 View Post
Trump is going to have four long years to see if he can deliver on any of his promises. Expecations are high due to all his campaign promises.

Bring back coal! Bring back manufacturing!

We will see.

PS: Hillary's audience was not paid. Plenty of people were excited to see and vote for her. It's why she got 3 million more votes than Trump.

PPS: Why are we 'reigning in our workers'?
That is the goal and no said it was going to be easy path of the Re-Industrialization of America.


HRC Supports were vetted and her crowds and message was controlled. HRS and the DNC Proved they were criminal in the public eye and calling people names bad mistake.


At this point I think HRC Supports want to see America Flounder in the stream. Most of us Conservatives gave Obama a chance until he proved he was not the President for All Americans!
 
Old 12-27-2016, 10:19 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ View Post
That is the goal and no said it was going to be easy path of the Re-Industrialization of America.


HRC Supports were vetted and her crowds and message was controlled. HRS and the DNC Proved they were criminal in the public eye and calling people names bad mistake.


At this point I think HRC Supports want to see America Flounder in the stream. Most of us Conservatives gave Obama a chance until he proved he was not the President for All Americans!
No you didn't.
 
Old 12-27-2016, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Originally Posted by Ringo1 View Post
Trump is going to have four long years to see if he can deliver on any of his promises. Expecations are high due to all his campaign promises.

Bring back coal! Bring back manufacturing!

We will see.

PS: Hillary's audience was not paid. Plenty of people were excited to see and vote for her. It's why she got 3 million more votes than Trump.

PPS: Why are we 'reigning in our workers'?
They could be very quick years if the Democrats do not acknowledge their faults and move on. Like I have said over and over again - I used to be a Democrat. I would seriously like to see the Party rise to the occasion and again support our workers, police, military and the people that built this Nation.
 
Old 12-27-2016, 10:24 AM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ View Post
That is the goal and no said it was going to be easy path of the Re-Industrialization of America.


HRC Supports were vetted and her crowds and message was controlled. HRS and the DNC Proved they were criminal in the public eye and calling people names bad mistake.


At this point I think HRC Supports want to see America Flounder in the stream. Most of us Conservatives gave Obama a chance until he proved he was not the President for All Americans!
There is no way in Hades you posted this with a straight face.
 
Old 12-27-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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There is no way in Hades you posted this with a straight face.
Yes indeed and I for one have Great Hope for the next 4 years. We edge on Socialism and a nanny state like Europe, but Americans pushed back.


HRC is still a criminal and here action reflect the Cartel!
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