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Old 12-22-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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Yet another analysis that assumes that: 1. Everyone in this country voted last November and 2. Working class person=dirt-poor person who's dependent on the federal government. Both of these assumptions are very wrong.

And as everyone else has said: put the crystal ball down, man. You're no oracle.

 
Old 12-23-2016, 07:23 AM
 
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"GOP extols worker training, then slashes funding

"....the air was filled with promises to help American workers keep pace with a changing world. Days after, the Senate Appropriations Committee approved new Republican cuts from funding for adult education and worker training — programs the GOP had embraced just a year ago."

—Politico
I'll be honest. I haven't paid much attention to what has been taking place with funding for job training. Call it simple ignorance. Call it a situation where I've never been looking at job training.

On the other hand, if funding for job training gets cut, this will be problematic. Truth is, if jobs are to be filled, money to be made, job training is needed.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 08:34 AM
 
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"The people hit the hardest are a lot of the demographics that went heavily for Trump."

"Others who didn't take Trump literally may soon face the same dilemma. The Urban Institute estimated this month that under the partial repeal plan previously passed by Republicans in Congress, 30?million people would lose insurance, 82 percent of them would be in working families and 56 percent would be white. Among adults who would lose insurance, 80 percent don't have college degrees..."

"Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump's promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump's strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes...

"Such actions, undertaken by Trump and his Cabinet of billionaires, bankers and business tycoons, could cause some of those working-class Trump supporters to regret that they didn't take Trump's campaign utterances literally."

—Dana Millbank column, Salt Lake Tribune

Policies like those promising to come out of Trump's Cabinet don't look too good for the working class.
All that poorer Trump voters could see was the wall (and promise of mfg jobs which will probably never return in real numbers). The wall will probably never get built but that will be overlooked by supporters.

Probably is merely your opinion. What would have happened if Hillary had been elected? Just like Obama she was promising amnesty for millions of illegal aliens to remain here and retain American jobs. How was that supposed to help the working class Americans?
 
Old 12-23-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Come on, River. I asked you who do you think should be on his cabinet. Instead, you just come back with a NYT link. That doesn't answer my question.

ETA: The article was all about global warming and a potential cabinet member who doesn't believe in it. That said, the following excerpt tells me that Obama is a hypocrite on this issue.

At the heart of Mr. Obama’s efforts to tackle climate change are a collection of E.P.A. regulations aimed at forcing power plants to significantly reduce their emissions of planet-warming carbon dioxide pollution. Mr. Trump cannot unilaterally cancel the rules, which were released under the 1970 Clean Air Act. But a legally experienced E.P.A. chief could substantially weaken, delay or slowly take them apart

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If Obama was so concerned about global warming, then why didn't he secure the border? Why did he encourage more illegal immigration by dictating DACA? Then emboldened, he tried to dictate DAPA. Several states sued him over it and the Circuit Court sided with the states and issued an injunction against DAPA. Obama thumbed his nose at the injunction and kept doing DAPA until he was caught---then he stopped.

If he was so concerned about "emissions" and carbon footprints, then allowing 1 million legal immigrants into this country per year and untold numbers of illegals shows him to be a hypocrite.
Obama is a failure. No contest. Why do rightists keep bringing him up? He's out.

We were all hoping for a business(man) such as Trump who could run the country like a real business. That model has great potential. But Trump is blowing every opportunity to serve the country in a responsible way. He could have appointed someone to the EPA who is not a Neanderthal, someone intelligent and experienced enough to take our energy needs to the next level (NOT nuclear ), investing in viable alternative energy and creating thousands of jobs in a new vibrant economy that would include manufacturing.

Every time I check out the "news" and see what dismal choices he's making I realize he's gonna sink us. He CAN be both conservative and progressive, instead of plunging us back into the Dark Ages. He's smart, KA's smart, but they unfortunately feel they have to follow the agendas of the dinosaur age of the GOP.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 02:05 PM
 
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Various sources report that the areas of the country that have the highest enrollment in Obamacare voted for Trump.

Now that could be a very significant problem.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 02:36 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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"The people hit the hardest are a lot of the demographics that went heavily for Trump."

"Others who didn't take Trump literally may soon face the same dilemma. The Urban Institute estimated this month that under the partial repeal plan previously passed by Republicans in Congress, 30?million people would lose insurance, 82 percent of them would be in working families and 56 percent would be white. Among adults who would lose insurance, 80 percent don't have college degrees..."

"Many of the functions that would necessarily face the ax under Trump's promises — job training, education, child-care assistance and the like — benefit groups that were Trump's strongest supporters. The cuts would disproportionately hurt red states in the South, mountains and plains that receive far more in federal spending than they pay in taxes...

"Such actions, undertaken by Trump and his Cabinet of billionaires, bankers and business tycoons, could cause some of those working-class Trump supporters to regret that they didn't take Trump's campaign utterances literally."

—Dana Millbank column, Salt Lake Tribune

Policies like those promising to come out of Trump's Cabinet don't look too good for the working class.
All that poorer Trump voters could see was the wall (and promise of mfg jobs which will probably never return in real numbers). The wall will probably never get built but that will be overlooked by supporters.
All B.S.

No, "the wall" was not why Trump won. You're delusional and in denial if you think that's all there was behind Trump's victory. This is the problem with you Leftists. You can't even honestly analyze your loss. You continue to believe you had the right message, and that some other factors were responsible for your loss. This is why you will continue to lose.

Trump is a lot like Ronald Reagan in the eighties. Everyone said he would be a failure. He was a huge success. Trump knows how to expand business. So far, what he's saying is playing very well with businesses. And if businesses are happy, opportunities will be created (read "jobs"). That's how it works, and how it always has worked.

You people (some will say that's a "racist comment!" LOL) are going to have to realize that the saying, "the rich get richer while the poor get poorer" is just a cliché, nothing more. It reflects the belief that wealth is finite, and the more one group has, the less another group has. That is a myth, because wealth is created.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 02:46 PM
 
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Our expert Overlords predicted Brexit wouldn't happen (it did), that Hillary would win in a landslide (she didn't), and that the market would crash if Trump were elected (it didn't), what makes you think our expert Overlords are right this time?
Um, because the new regime has already said what it is going to do re: health insurance, nuclear power, climate change (nothing), and so on. These are not predictions; they are stated agendas during the past 6 to 8 years. Well, expanded nuclear was a bit of surprise (not), but the rest, all part of the plan.
 
Old 12-23-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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Trump is a lot like Ronald Reagan in the eighties. Everyone said he would be a failure. He was a huge success. Trump knows how to expand business. So far, what he's saying is playing very well with businesses. And if businesses are happy, opportunities will be created (read "jobs"). That's how it works, and how it always has worked.

You people (some will say that's a "racist comment!" LOL) are going to have to realize that the saying, "the rich get richer while the poor get poorer" is just a cliché, nothing more. It reflects the belief that wealth is finite, and the more one group has, the less another group has. That is a myth, because wealth is created.
More trickle-down, eh?

How did that "work" for the lower middle class and the poorer classes en masse in this country?

Isn't that why Trump got in—trickle down trickled up?
 
Old 12-23-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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Um, because the new regime has already said what it is going to do re: health insurance, nuclear power, climate change (nothing), and so on. These are not predictions; they are stated agendas during the past 6 to 8 years. Well, expanded nuclear was a bit of surprise (not), but the rest, all part of the plan.
Well...if you believe that climate change is connected to emissions and carbon footprints, Trump has already stated that he is going to get rid of the worst of the worst illegals first and build the wall to keep even more of them out.
 
Old 12-24-2016, 09:00 AM
 
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All B.S.

No, "the wall" was not why Trump won. You're delusional and in denial if you think that's all there was behind Trump's victory. This is the problem with you Leftists. You can't even honestly analyze your loss. You continue to believe you had the right message, and that some other factors were responsible for your loss. This is why you will continue to lose.

Trump is a lot like Ronald Reagan in the eighties. Everyone said he would be a failure. He was a huge success. Trump knows how to expand business. So far, what he's saying is playing very well with businesses. And if businesses are happy, opportunities will be created (read "jobs"). That's how it works, and how it always has worked.

You people (some will say that's a "racist comment!" LOL) are going to have to realize that the saying, "the rich get richer while the poor get poorer" is just a cliché, nothing more. It reflects the belief that wealth is finite, and the more one group has, the less another group has. That is a myth, because wealth is created.

Reagan was a huge success for the non-poor majority; and a miserable failure for the poor minority. As a near-poor rent serf, the Reagan tax cuts made me worse off because my tax cut was more than offset by five rent increases in five years. Reagan even got Congress to adopt the insane policy of effectively imposing a 100% penalty on welfare recipients who had the audacity to EARN INCOME.

Trump will prove to be a miserable failure for the rent serfs of America, and will unite the left in opposition.
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