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He is speaking as DNC Chairman. The part of the party that rejected Hillary is not coming back to the party of Perez.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
so are you mad that he is endorsing someone at all or who he is endorsing ?
He, as chairman, shouldn’t be endorsing anyone before the primary.
What was the point of stating that the DNC wouldn’t endorse and then turning around and doing so?
Makes him a liar.
Lots of people already didn’t trust him. He’s just given them that much more reason to solidify that position.
And they wonder why national fund-raising is down.
He, as chairman, shouldn’t be endorsing anyone before the primary.
What was the point of stating that the DNC wouldn’t endorse and then turning around and doing so?
Makes him a liar.
Lots of people already didn’t trust him. He’s just given them that much more reason to solidify that position.
And they wonder why national fund-raising is down.
I pointed out the flaw in this argument on a pervious page, but I will go it again here.
His actual statement says the DCCC shouldn't endorse, he goes into detail and explains that a DCCC endorsement comes not only with financial ties, but infrastructure and candidate training as well.
Even if you wanted to equate the 2 simply as organizations with the official (D) beside them, you would still be wrong, As Perez is speaking as an individual, not as the DNC itself. His endorsement does not come with money, infrastructure or even the support of the ruling members of the DNC, he doesn't even get to put "chairman of the DNC endorses" next to his statement.
If you honestly think his endorsement holds some gravitas simply because he is who he is, that's fine. Ill even agree with you there.
But calling him a liar means you are ignoring the facts of the situation and purposefully mischaracterizing the situation . I have a huge problem with that. It makes it seem like you( and others supporting your argument) are simply trying to change the narrative rather than having a real conversation about endorsements.
Machin is up 13 in the WV senate race, thought this was going to be close. More empirical data of a blue wave.
Manchin was a very popular governor.He isn't as popular as a senator but he will still likely win re-election.This isn't a 'blue wave' issue....he's already there.West Virginia,with the exception of presidential elections, still usually goes for the democrat in statewide races.
I agree with you in concept but I think Trump changes this pattern because he is anything but a typical Republican and he in fact is kept in check by Republicans like McCain and his own Justice Dept and the Swamp Establishment left over from Obama and others that are a check on him.
McCain has been belittled by trump for standing up to him. Trump is nothing more than a bully. Every other republican is a coward who hides in the corner letting him do whatever he wants because they are for whatever reason scared of him. Enough of this BS. We can’t have one party running our country and I think we will see that in the next elections.
I agree with you in concept but I think Trump changes this pattern because he is anything but a typical Republican and he in fact is kept in check by Republicans like McCain and his own Justice Dept and the Swamp Establishment left over from Obama and others that are a check on him.
Nonsense.
McCain is done as an active Senator. He was able to block Trump only once when he was still healthy enough to do it. None of the Republican Senators have lifted a finger in opposition to Trump, and neither has the Republican House.
The Justice Department doesn't have any power over Trump as long as Sessions is the Attorney General. Sessions recused himself on the Russian investigation, but he's still the shot-caller for everything else. Sessions is so deep into Trump's pocket he'll never see daylight again.
The checks against Presidential power are still there, but they are not being used. After 2 years of nothing but tacit approval from the majority, it's up to the voters to check Trump's impulses, and they only can do that by voting out his majorities.
And then, as time passes, typical Republicans, the ones with the guts to go against a President from their party when he's excessive, will eventually replace the others who are too paralyzed by fear to do anything at all.
Nonsense.
McCain is done as an active Senator. He was able to block Trump only once when he was still healthy enough to do it. None of the Republican Senators have lifted a finger in opposition to Trump, and neither has the Republican House.
The Justice Department doesn't have any power over Trump as long as Sessions is the Attorney General. Sessions recused himself on the Russian investigation, but he's still the shot-caller for everything else. Sessions is so deep into Trump's pocket he'll never see daylight again.
The checks against Presidential power are still there, but they are not being used. After 2 years of nothing but tacit approval from the majority, it's up to the voters to check Trump's impulses, and they only can do that by voting out his majorities.
And then, as time passes, typical Republicans, the ones with the guts to go against a President from their party when he's excessive, will eventually replace the others who are too paralyzed by fear to do anything at all.
Nonsense....if you were correct (you aren't btw), The UnaffordableandIdon'tcare Act would have been repealed and a better budget would have been passed.
And then, as time passes, typical Republicans, the ones with the guts to go against a President from their party when he's excessive, will eventually replace the others who are too paralyzed by fear to do anything at all.
In the 2018 Republican congressional primaries, candidates are emphasizing how much they support Trump and his priorities, which is directly correlated with the president having very high (85-90% support or more) among Republican voters. Meanwhile, many of the Republican retirements from both the House and Senate have been among members more critical of the president. Whether or not Democrats make any gains in 2018, it's likely that the Republican conferences in 2019-2020 will be more supportive of the president rather than less, and completely uninterested in exercising measures to restrict his potential overreach. If the American electorate in key states and districts is indifferent, then it is likely Trump will be able to continue on the current path with little threat of any consequences.
I pointed out the flaw in this argument on a pervious page, but I will go it again here.
His actual statement says the DCCC shouldn't endorse, he goes into detail and explains that a DCCC endorsement comes not only with financial ties, but infrastructure and candidate training as well.
Even if you wanted to equate the 2 simply as organizations with the official (D) beside them, you would still be wrong, As Perez is speaking as an individual, not as the DNC itself. His endorsement does not come with money, infrastructure or even the support of the ruling members of the DNC, he doesn't even get to put "chairman of the DNC endorses" next to his statement.
If you honestly think his endorsement holds some gravitas simply because he is who he is, that's fine. Ill even agree with you there.
But calling him a liar means you are ignoring the facts of the situation and purposefully mischaracterizing the situation . I have a huge problem with that. It makes it seem like you( and others supporting your argument) are simply trying to change the narrative rather than having a real conversation about endorsements.
His endorsement in light of his previous statements are being characterized as the height of hypocrisy and rightly so.
“Perez's move on Thursday strongly contrasts with his refusal to weigh in on the Georgia gubernatorial Democratic primary earlier this week, in which the progressive candidate prevailed. Perez told NBC News that the DNC had been "scrupulously neutral" in Georgia "because we think the voters should decide that."”
“Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Tom Perez has faced constant backlash from his own party after endorsing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo in the primary Thursday — breaking with his own beliefs that the DNC should not get involved in primary elections.”
His endorsement in light of his previous statements are being characterized as the height of hypocrisy and rightly so.
“Perez's move on Thursday strongly contrasts with his refusal to weigh in on the Georgia gubernatorial Democratic primary earlier this week, in which the progressive candidate prevailed. Perez told NBC News that the DNC had been "scrupulously neutral" in Georgia "because we think the voters should decide that."”
“Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Tom Perez has faced constant backlash from his own party after endorsing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo in the primary Thursday — breaking with his own beliefs that the DNC should not get involved in primary elections.”
Tom Perez is not the DNC. Tom Perez is an individual.
the DNC did not endorse Cuomo, Tom Perez did.
Here is another example. Rex Tillerson was CEO of Exxon Mobil , he is not Exxon Mobil itself. Tillerson endorsing Trump, does not mean Exxon Mobil endorses Trump.
This isnt hard to understand people.
You can post 50 articles, if they all used the same flawed logic, then they are all still dead wrong. Perez broke no promise or belief , you simply misinterpreted what he said because you wanted to ... because again , and this point i cant pretend you guys dont understand.
Tom Perez is not the DNC. Tom Perez is an individual.
the DNC did not endorse Cuomo, Tom Perez did.
Here is another example. Rex Tillerson was CEO of Exxon Mobil , he is not Exxon Mobil itself. Tillerson endorsing Trump, does not mean Exxon Mobil endorses Trump.
This isnt hard to understand people.
You can post 50 articles, if they all used the same flawed logic, then they are all still dead wrong. Perez broke no promise or belief , you simply misinterpreted what he said because you wanted to ... because again , and this point i cant pretend you guys dont understand.
You can argue semantics all day but the links posted above are sourced from many diverse areas and all note the damage being done.
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