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Old 06-27-2018, 06:04 AM
 
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Seems like he thought he would win by a mile, and didnt. And primary turnout seems low in NY.


New York State and City have some of if not the highest levels of voter apathy in United States. Unless you knew about it/were following local politics you'd never have known there was a primary election on Tuesday.


In the convoluted and "boss politics" way things are done here, there are *two* primaries. Yesterday was for national offices, back in May was for state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...cratic_primary


Rep. Joe Crowley's district has undergone strong demographic changes since he was first elected, and is now "majority minority" .


Moving on to the larger issues Joe Crowley's loss shows that there are still deep rifts in the Democratic party, and why the "Blue Wave" may turn into a puddle by November.


This uber liberal/progressive woman may have gone over well in her district; but unless modified or changed her platform won't go over well with a majority of the United States. This even if Democrats manage somehow to take the House in November.


In short the DNC is still fighting between two major camps; ultra liberals and more moderate (or gasp even conservative) members.


In case anyone is wondering, no; there isn't a snowball's chance in H*ll that a GOP candidate will win that seat in November. New York state and city districts are so drawn for House, and local elections that whomever wins the primary is nearly certain to win in November. Only real toss ups are perhaps for governor, attorney general and some other statewide offices.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:11 AM
 
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DO you believe this of all industries or just banks ??? Because you clearly dodged the point of my post.
You know what I believe.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:12 AM
 
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New York State and City have some of if not the highest levels of voter apathy in United States. Unless you knew about it/were following local politics you'd never have known there was a primary election on Tuesday.


In the convoluted and "boss politics" way things are done here, there are *two* primaries. Yesterday was for national offices, back in May was for state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...cratic_primary


Rep. Joe Crowley's district has undergone strong demographic changes since he was first elected, and is now "majority minority" .


Moving on to the larger issues Joe Crowley's loss shows that there are still deep rifts in the Democratic party, and why the "Blue Wave" may turn into a puddle by November.


This uber liberal/progressive woman may have gone over well in her district; but unless modified or changed her platform won't go over well with a majority of the United States. This even if Democrats manage somehow to take the House in November.
Bernie Sanders would have won.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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New York State and City have some of if not the highest levels of voter apathy in United States. Unless you knew about it/were following local politics you'd never have known there was a primary election on Tuesday.


In the convoluted and "boss politics" way things are done here, there are *two* primaries. Yesterday was for national offices, back in May was for state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yo...cratic_primary


Rep. Joe Crowley's district has undergone strong demographic changes since he was first elected, and is now "majority minority" .


Moving on to the larger issues Joe Crowley's loss shows that there are still deep rifts in the Democratic party, and why the "Blue Wave" may turn into a puddle by November.


This uber liberal/progressive woman may have gone over well in her district; but unless modified or changed her platform won't go over well with a majority of the United States. This even if Democrats manage somehow to take the House in November.


In short the DNC is still fighting between two major camps; ultra liberals and more moderate (or gasp even conservative) members.


In case anyone is wondering, no; there isn't a snowball's chance in H*ll that a GOP candidate will win that seat in November. New York state and city districts are so drawn for House, and local elections that whomever wins the primary is nearly certain to win in November. Only real toss ups are perhaps for governor, attorney general and some other statewide offices.
2 things

1. His district has actually been redistricted 2 times since he has been elected, meaning he has actually run for election on 3 different maps. so the district didnt become more diverse on its own, the map was actually changed.

2. The far left has 3 wins out of 100+ primaries. The whole " this shows the democrats" argument doesnt work. All it shows is that Crowley should have campaigned more.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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You know what I believe.
Actually I dont, you actually ignore this question everytime I ask it, that or the thread gets closed before I can see your response.

so whats your answer. Should all industry be ignored, or just the ones you dont support. If so, even Sanders is corrupt by your definition.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:25 AM
 
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Good for her. Time to start phasing out the era of Wall-Street hugging, neo-con democrats.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:28 AM
 
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Actually I dont, you actually ignore this question everytime I ask it, that or the thread gets closed before I can see your response.
You can still read closed threads.

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so whats your answer. Should all industry be ignored, or just the ones you dont support. If so, even Sanders is corrupt by your definition.
You are deflecting. One can not make a definitive statement about something like "all industry". We are talking about one specific one. I never argued it should be ignored either. Quite the opposite. The corruption of the banking/wall street industry needs reined in.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Good. Hopefully her far left kookiness will turn moderate voters away
I believe it will turn a lot of voters away.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:38 AM
 
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The most important this is she stands for every thing Trump doesn't and that can only be good for the country.


I think you are going to see more of that. Any one that is the polar opposite of the crap we have in office now, regardless of party, will do well in November.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:39 AM
 
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The most important this is she stands for every thing Trump doesn't and that can only be good for the country.
She stands for a lot of things the DNC doesn't.
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