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All true. I was shocked at the terrible things woman would say about her. Woman would attack her hair, her makeup, her clothes, her weight, her age, her willingness not to break up her family, but especially her looks, and they did it with (sorry to say) no self awareness whatsoever. Then they would giggle about Trump like this fat old man was going to ask them on a date and were not bothered when he said he was not impressed by her backside. It was a very disillusioning election and makes me not want to nominate a woman even though it would be great to see in my lifetime.
You are correct. During the election, I spoke with my ex and asked her who she was voting for. She said she really didn't like Donald Trump at all, but she "does not trust Hillary Clinton". When I asked what she did not trust, she really had no solid answer, just that " I do not trust her."
I think a lot of that thinking is akin to what we heard when Obama ran. A lot of people had no concrete proof of anything, but they still felt he was "not born in America" or he was a "Muslim". (both of which are very untrue) That was enough to sway their decision.
I wanted Bernie to win too.
He wasn't perfect, by any means...but he was real and authentic.
The Democratic party should have stayed out of it...and let who won, win.
In my opinion, they are in a large part responsible for what we have today...
although there is plenty blame to go around.
I wanted Bernie to win too.
He wasn't perfect, by any means...but he was real and authentic.
The Democratic party should have stayed out of it...and let who won, win.
In my opinion, they are in a large part responsible for what we have today...
although there is plenty blame to go around.
I wanted Bernie to be the candidate, but he simply lost the primary vote. Why is this narrative still going strong?
He started way too late, unfortunately, and never caught up.
I wanted Bernie to be the candidate, but he simply lost the primary vote. Why is this narrative still going strong?
He started way too late, unfortunately, and never caught up.
I think the deck was stacked against him. I do not necessarily mean rigged, but Hillary did have a huge advantage going in. The fact that Bernie did as well as he did should be a huge wake-up call to the Democrats, in terms of what plays well and what does not.
Nope. In fact, Trump is turning out to be a great revelation about the Republican Party and Conservatives in general.
After Trump is out of office, I’m gonna love the fact that right wingers can’t tell me the same crap they’ve been asserting for the last 38 years. I always knew it was bunk, but it took Trump to REALLY make right wingers show their true colors.
Hillary losing has turned out to be good for Democrats in the long run.
Nope. In fact, Trump is turning out to be a great revelation about the Republican Party and Conservatives in general.
After Trump is out of office, I’m gonna love the fact that right wingers can’t tell me the same crap they’ve been asserting for the last 38 years. I always knew it was bunk, but it took Trump to REALLY make right wingers show their true colors.
Hillary losing has turned out to be good for Democrats in the long run.
I do see the logic of that and I do look forward to the thousand things we can turn back on them. We should be keeping a running list because they sure have done every single thing they ever complained about and then some.
I think the deck was stacked against him. I do not necessarily mean rigged, but Hillary did have a huge advantage going in. The fact that Bernie did as well as he did should be a huge wake-up call to the Democrats, in terms of what plays well and what does not.
I don't disagree.
I really wish Bernie had stated earlier. He would have definitely won the primary, I believe. His momentum was hitting its high points after many states had already held primaries... It was just too late at that point to catch up.
Did you see Donna Brazile talking about it on Bill Maher?
Brazile took over the DNC as interim chair following Debbie Wasserman Schultz's sudden resignation during the Democratic National Convention. Once she was at the party's helm, Brazile wrote that she discovered an agreement that "specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party's finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff."
This agreement has been seized on by everyone from President Trump to Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren as proof that the DNC "rigged" the 2016 primary for Clinton.
The DNC and former Clinton staffers pushed back on Brazile's claim but never outright denied it.
I held my nose, and still voted for Hillary, but I don't really like her, and I don't like what she did.
And I still think this shows corruption on the part of the Democratic Party.
(But in the end, as bad as she was and as bad as what the Democratic Party did, It's still a step up
from Trump and the GOP at this juncture....the GOP is so messed up right now that I think the Democratic Party is our only hope.)
I think Hillary had a few things going against her, but for all of those obstacles, she actually got more REAL votes than her competitor. I think the Right should get down on their knees and thank God for that little thing called the electoral college. If that wasn't in play, Trump would have been sent back to NY on a bus, where he could cheat more workers out of their money and where he could have Cohen still paying off hookers , porn stars, and Playboy bunnies to keep them quiet.
Being a woman was a huge problem for Hillary. A lot of people, even a lot of women, are not ready for a woman President, unfortunately. And, as much as some will deny it, the Russian bad mouthing of her made a lot of people distrust her. Once that bell is rung you can not un ring it.
Nonsense, and you know it. If this was a popular vote contest, Trump would've campaigned differently and in different places. No telling how the election would have turned out. This was an election aimed at electoral college votes, so its foolish to try to extrapolate how things would've turned out if we were looking only at the popular vote.
First of all, I am shocked so many voted that she was a good candidate. The fact that she twice lost to political unknowns and neophytes, should make Democrats scratch their heads, and question the powers that be in the DNC.
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Hillary was a flawed candidate. She had a lot of political baggage and she knew it. If she really cared about her causes she should have stepped aside to allow someone more electable to carry the standard. Her presence sucked the oxygen out and many good possibilities did not come forward because she was in the race.
I am not saying she was a flawed person, far from it! I'll give her credit for a lot of good things she had done, and she is very smart. ... but she had been the subject of character assassination attacks for thirty years and it took a toll. A significant number of people pre-judged her based upon those attacks.
The Clintons carried water for a lot of people over the years, stumping for candidates and helping to raise money for them. A lot of people in the Democratic party felt they owed her, and she called in her chips to get that nomination. I think she's out of chips now.
I view you as a likely leftist bot, probably paid to push the liberal/socialist agenda. Therefore we will rarely agree on anything, except where I point out flaws with moderates and conservatives.
However for you to whitewash her flaws as a result of character assassinations is being delusional. She has many personal and professional flaws.
More importantly, her arrogance caused her to lose site of the fact she was not entitled to anything. Her best chance to become president was in 2008, following many problems with the Bush administration. He was not as much at fault as you would like to think, because the Democrats ignored the repeated warning signs of the housing market, much of which was of their own doing.
Still much of the country and even moderates blamed him. Even his conservative base with disappointed with the protracted war, and unfunded mandates.
Thus, had Hillary received the nomination in 2008, she likely would have beaten a weak (R) in McCain.
Of even greater importance, she would not have gotten screwed up with her SoS mistakes. Many a (D) looked at her getting the SoS as necessary to have the foreign affairs experience to win in the future.
In reality, if she did not screw up with her own private server, and all the blunders like Egypt, Russia, Libya, etc., she could have run and won in 2012, or maybe even 2016. But with all her self inflicted wounds as SoS, she was doomed.
How else to explain that despite having everything lined up like the media, DNC quashing Bernie, money, organization, etc., yet a novice businessman beats her.
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