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Old 09-04-2018, 08:34 PM
 
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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018...gration-policy

For months, Cruz has portrayed O’Rourke as out of the mainstream. A Cruz campaign jingle claimed O’Rourke favors open borders and taking people’s guns — claims a leading fact-checking service found to be mostly false. More recently, Cruz said O’Rourke “is open to abolishing ICE,” the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. Politifact Texas found that to be mostly true.
At Laredo’s North Central Park on Saturday morning, O’Rourke was heckled for emphasizing President Donald Trump’s zero-tolerance policy. Until Trump suspended it recently, the policy required ICE to separate children of unauthorized immigrants from their parents.
Former Webb County sheriff’s department Capt. Jerry Carmona, a Trump supporter, allowed O’Rourke to finish a pep talk to block-walkers, people who volunteer to knock on doors to help generate higher voter turnout. The two then huddled.
Afterward, Carmona, 56, said of O’Rourke, “He’s a real good guy.” But Carmona said Trump is “righteous” in cracking down on illegal immigration. He said O’Rourke underestimates security risks caused by a porous U.S.-Mexico border. So do far too many residents of Laredo, who as Democrats “are one-party minded,” he said with evident disapproval.

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07...s-abolish-ice/

Politically, the issue has already flared up in the U.S. Senate race between Republican incumbent Ted Cruz and U.S. Rep. Beto O'Rourke, D-El Paso. Asked about abolishing ICE Friday at a town hall in San Antonio, O'Rourke discussed the need to eliminate fear in immigrant communities under Trump and to find a better way to enforce immigration laws. “And if that involves doing away with this agency, giving that responsibility to somebody else, changing how this agency performs, I’m open to doing that,” O’Rourke said.
Yet he went on to flatly answer no when directly asked if he would abolish ICE, explaining that he does not currently know enough about how immigration law would be enforced without the agency.
Getting rid of ICE has nothing to do with being for open borders. Almost no one, the majority of liberals included, want open borders. We just don't like things like 4th Amendment violations, kidnapping children and white nationalism tactics that conservatives have embraced these days. America has gotten very dumb and very nasty on this issue. We can do so much better as Americans and human beings. The fact that so many are choosing the opposite is enough to make anyone cynical as hell about the nation's future.
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Old 09-04-2018, 10:42 PM
 
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Getting rid of ICE has nothing to do with being for open borders. Almost no one, the majority of liberals included, want open borders. We just don't like things like 4th Amendment violations, kidnapping children and white nationalism tactics that conservatives have embraced these days. America has gotten very dumb and very nasty on this issue. We can do so much better as Americans and human beings. The fact that so many are choosing the opposite is enough to make anyone cynical as hell about the nation's future.



Yet no liberal called out Obama for doing the same thing. Hypocrites.


Ted Cruz this morning, awesome!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yNmyekIxH0

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Old 09-04-2018, 11:44 PM
 
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Yet no liberal called out Obama for doing the same thing. Hypocrites.


Ted Cruz this morning, awesome!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yNmyekIxH0
Merrick Garland was qualified and he wasn’t ever allowed to receive a Senate confirmation hearing. Ted Cruz is acting like his usually pompous, full of hot air self- no news here.
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Old 09-04-2018, 11:58 PM
 
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Merrick Garland was qualified and he wasn’t ever allowed to receive a Senate confirmation hearing. Ted Cruz is acting like his usually pompous, full of hot air self- no news here.



I agree with you about Merrick. Mitch McConnell was an ass regarding Garland- political games, IMO.




Ted Cruz was sensational today, and supported the view that he's a great senator vs. Beto.
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Old 09-05-2018, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Merrick Garland was qualified and he wasn’t ever allowed to receive a Senate confirmation hearing. Ted Cruz is acting like his usually pompous, full of hot air self- no news here.
There is no way you can compare the Garland situation with this one. No, he didn't get a hearing, but that was mainly because it was the end of an administration. this is only near a mid term election. There is nothing even similar except an election date coming up in two months. The actions of the Democrats is totally shocking and people talk about Trump being a baby? It seems to me, if my old mind is working right, Obama nominated 2 supreme court justices and the proceedings went pretty smoothly other than the usual debate which is expected.
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Old 09-05-2018, 06:25 AM
 
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There is no way you can compare the Garland situation with this one. No, he didn't get a hearing, but that was mainly because it was the end of an administration.
It wasn't the end of the administration. Garland was nominated Mar 2016 - 10 months before the end of the administration and 8 months before the election. Everyone knows that the GOP used it as an excuse to block the nomination and it was a political move with a lame excuse that nobody believes.

The GOP had to keep repeating the lame excuse because they didn't want to admit that they blocked the nomination because they could, due to being in control of congress. Even you know it was a lame excuse, yet you repeat it. Spare us.

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Old 09-05-2018, 06:40 AM
 
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  • Republicans love all Americans.
That's a true statement given the Republican definition of an American:
  • white
  • male
  • evangelist
  • wives of white male evangelists that don't think for themselves
Everyone else is un-American.

As for Cruz, I'm going to echo another poster's sentiment. The man has no spine. The man that said "Lyin' Ted has an ugly wife" is going to be leaned on to help him keep his Senate seat? The man will stop at nothing to keep his seat. SAD.
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Old 09-05-2018, 06:54 AM
 
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It wasn't the end of the administration. Garland was nominated Mar 2016 - 10 months before the end of the administration and 8 months before the election. Everyone knows that the GOP used it as an excuse to block the nomination and it was a political move with a lame excuse that nobody believes. The GOP had to keep repeating the lame excuse because they didn't want to admit that they blocked the nomination because they could(due to being in control), and then gave the lame excuse. Even you know it was a lame excuse, yet you repeat it. Spare us.
And then there were the over 100 federal judge positions that McConnell refused to allow to be be filled under Obama.
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Old 09-05-2018, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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It wasn't the end of the administration. Garland was nominated Mar 2016 - 10 months before the end of the administration and 8 months before the election. Everyone knows that the GOP used it as an excuse to block the nomination and it was a political move with a lame excuse that nobody believes.

The GOP had to keep repeating the lame excuse because they didn't want to admit that they blocked the nomination because they could, due to being in control of congress. Even you know it was a lame excuse, yet you repeat it. Spare us.
That is pretty damn close to the end of the administration!!! No I don't know that any more than you will admit there is a huge difference in the two situations. Let's face it, we all know the party in power usually will determine the supreme court nominees but the dems just never dreamed the right would have 2 chances and maybe even three.
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Old 09-05-2018, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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That's a true statement given the Republican definition of an American:
  • white
  • male
  • evangelist
  • wives of white male evangelists that don't think for themselves
Everyone else is un-American.

As for Cruz, I'm going to echo another poster's sentiment. The man has no spine. The man that said "Lyin' Ted has an ugly wife" is going to be leaned on to help him keep his Senate seat? The man will stop at nothing to keep his seat. SAD.
Where in the HELL did you come up with the definition of a Republican? I think you better check your references a little closer or maybe you need to check how many women who are Republicans do not fit your idea of a Republican. I could go on and on, but your statement isn't worth my time.
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