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Old 12-15-2018, 04:37 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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This is interesting to me, and may tell us a thing or two about the future.
The 2018 midterm vote: Divisions by race, gender, education | Pew Research Center


Highlights..
Women went for Democrats, 59/40
Hispanic went Democrat, 69/29
White Women split, 49/49
Black people went Democrat 90/9.
There is a lot of other stuff in there, too. And unless something changes most of it will translate to the electoral college in next Presidential election. Looking at the graphs, it appears that Trump does pretty well with most white people and pretty poorly with others (generally).
I don't see how he can win again, but I didn't see how he could win the first time, either.


Full Disclosure: I'm a Republican.
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Old 12-15-2018, 09:58 PM
 
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Hint:

1) There are a lot more white people in the United States than anyone else. 63-77% depending on how it is counted.

2) Presidents almost always do badly in the first midterms, and Trump did all right be keeping the Senate.

3. He only has to peel off small numbers to win. If he does do prison reform, that could get him a few percentage points here and there.

4. 90% of the next presidential election is going to come down to the economy. If it is good, Trump wins, if it is bad, he loses, if it is sputtering along, like it was under Obama, then other issues become paramount.

5. Incumbency had power.

6. A LOT is going to ride on Mueller's findings. If the report is undewhelming, watch a big swath of Americans wake up and turn against CNN, MSNBC, and the Democrat party.

7. Dems still have to crack the widely white Midwest.

Let's wait another year or so and see where we are, but no, it is by no means out of the quest
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Old 12-16-2018, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Over Yonder
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like i said before, dems do not need the white vote to win.

obama won two times without the white vote.
What on earth gave you that idea? Obama may not have taken the majority of white votes, but he did indeed need some of the white vote to win. I believe if you look it up he won something between 30 and 40 percent of the white vote in both 2008 and 2012. So hey, no need to say dems don't need the white vote to win anymore. Because it's not true. Democrats do need a percentage of the white vote to win. That's just math.
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Old 12-16-2018, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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What on earth gave you that idea? Obama may not have taken the majority of white votes, but he did indeed need some of the white vote to win. I believe if you look it up he won something between 30 and 40 percent of the white vote in both 2008 and 2012. So hey, no need to say dems don't need the white vote to win anymore. Because it's not true. Democrats do need a percentage of the white vote to win. That's just math.
I think he means, Obama did not need a white majority to win. Obviously he needed white votes, But he was able to win without 50.01% of whites.

Hillary Clinton would be president right now if she had 2008 black turnout in Philadelphia, Milwaukee and Detroit.
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Old 12-16-2018, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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2) Presidents almost always do badly in the first midterms, and Trump did all right be keeping the Senate.
Republicans keeping the senate has less to do with Trump and more to do with the map and how we as americans are shifting more and more to one side or the others.

Missouri, Indiana, Florida, North Dakota. Those are the 4 seats lost. Only Florida is out of place in that group.


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3. He only has to peel off small numbers to win. If he does do prison reform, that could get him a few percentage points here and there.
He will get zero points, because it will be the Democrats who pass Prison Reform, If Republicans could have done it, they wont have, but they dont have the votes.

There are maybe 7 Republicans senators who support Prison Reform, and about 15 House members.

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4. 90% of the next presidential election is going to come down to the economy. If it is good, Trump wins, if it is bad, he loses, if it is sputtering along, like it was under Obama, then other issues become paramount.
People say this but it is never true, if it was, Clinton would be president

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5. Incumbency had power.
meh.

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6. A LOT is going to ride on Mueller's findings. If the report is undewhelming, watch a big swath of Americans wake up and turn against CNN, MSNBC, and the Democrat party.

7. Dems still have to crack the widely white Midwest.

Let's wait another year or so and see where we are, but no, it is by no means out of the quest
You say underwhelming like there arent already people in jail and like we dont know that Russia tried to meddle in our election.

As for the Midwest, Dems won every state wide race in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

2020 will simply come down to turn out.

There are more Democrats than Republicans in this country, data has shown that for a while, its just a matter of getting them to the polls. If the cities ever voted at the same rate as rural areas, the Republican party would be decimated.
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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An interesting statistic:

Republicans had 41.5 percent of all votes cast in Senate races, and Democrats 56.9 percent. The GOP received more than 33.5 million votes to the Democrats more than 46 million.

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-w...dterms-1207230

But, that's the way the senate rolls, giving much more power to less populated states. Gathering 12 million fewer votes, they still gained two senate seats.

The GOP utterly depends on this type of un-democratic system, along with the electoral college, to maintain their minority rule.

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Old 12-16-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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Here an interesting factoid from the 2018 Fox Exit Polls

White Evangelical Christians (22% of total): Republican 77% Democrats 17%
Everyone else (78%): Republican 37% Democrats 57%

https://www.foxnews.com/midterms-2018/voter-analysis

It sort of screams that under Donald Trump, the Republican Party is becoming less of a broad based big tent party and more of a religious sect.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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For the past couple of decades the GOP has been retreating into a corner occupied by the angry, low-info religious right. They're afraid to make any effort to broaden their base because it risks losing their most fanatical support.

Thus, their heavy reliance on voter suppression, gerrymandering, and last second shenanigans like we're seeing in WI and MI.

They call it God's will.


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Old 12-16-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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................The GOP utterly depends on this type of un-democratic system, along with the electoral college...............
Gotta live in the world that exists, not the one you fantasize about.
Bill Clinton never got 50% of the vote. That's the way it goes.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Gotta live in the world that exists, not the one you fantasize about.
Bill Clinton never got 50% of the vote. That's the way it goes.
Bill Clinton got more votes than anyone he ran against.

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