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Old 05-20-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Tax cuts
Regulation cuts
Energy Policy helping to create more supply and lower prices
Trade Policy which will ultimately create more U.S. jobs
Low unemployment
Great Stock markets
Great Housing markets

Just off the top of my head. All Trump actions, or due to Trump's actions.
More tax hikes than cuts. What energy policy? Trade policy=tax, tax, tax, tax - bail-outs, bail-outs, bail-outs. Stock market has gone nowhere in 16 months. What is so great about the housing market? It is stagnant, with some real damage done by the change in the tax law.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Taxes are going up. Tariffs are just another word for taxes.
But, other country's tariffs huge on are goods are OK? The tariffs are a temporary negotiating tool.


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The rest is simply following the path it was already on.
Ahhh, no. Obama had a 1.6% average GDP growth over his eight years. Due to Trump's policies, we are now getting over 3% GDP growth.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:30 AM
 
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But, other country's tariffs huge on are goods are OK? The tariffs are a temporary negotiating tool.
First of all, this thread isn't about Trump but whether or not what other countries do is OK or not does not change the fact that taxes are going up.

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Ahhh, no. Obama had a 1.6% average GDP growth over his eight years. Due to Trump's policies, we are now getting over 3% GDP growth.
DOesn't change what I said.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:30 AM
 
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Is there something wrong with ending the wars, balancing the budget and letting people marry whoever they want?
you're cherry picking. And balancing the budget? I dont care if its ever balanced, budget is the size of govt and I want it reduced, disappeared, not balanced.
Its inconsistent to say people in other countries have a right choose their own destiny (ending wars) while increasingly meddling in peoples lives at home (gabbards policy schemes)
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:34 AM
 
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you're cherry picking. And balancing the budget? I dont care if its ever balanced, budget is the size of govt and I want it reduced, disappeared, not balanced.
Its inconsistent to say people in other countries have a right choose their own destiny (ending wars) while increasingly meddling in peoples lives at home (gabbards policy schemes)
You say helping people out is meddling. I disagree. It's what decent people should do.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:36 AM
 
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I don't know much about Gabbard, But she seems like a nice enough person. She seems pretty intelligent and I'm very appreciative to have US military veterans in Congress

As far as her becoming president, I don't think she stands a chance and will probably be one of the first to pull out.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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You say helping people out is meddling. I disagree. It's what decent people should do.
They aren't helping people. Look at what liberal policies have done to the Black community. They are USING people for political gain, and buying votes. If you want to help, donate to charities. Don't force bigger, and bigger government on people.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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Is there something wrong with ending the wars, balancing the budget and letting people marry whoever they want?
Nope, but neither party does any of that, no matter what their candidates say during campaigns, which is Frank's point.

Obama started, extended or maintained hostilities all around the world, and is #1 all time on the use of the drone strike assassination. And every Democrat before him has all sort of blood on their hands. Nobody ends wars.

The last Republican president to preside over a balanced budget was Eisenhower. Nobody balances the budget. (Not even Clinton or the Gingrich House, who only ran surpluses together because a spike in GDP growth outpaced their ability to figure out how to overspend it).

A Democrat signed DOMA into law, after it passed the House 342-67 and the Senate 85-14. Both parties were against letting people marry whoever they want before both parties were for it.

On all three of your mentioned issues, history and facts back up Frank's point of logical inconsistency. Welcome to being a partisan, where regardless of wearing the red or blue team jersey, you get to be logically inconsistent by default. It's OK, you have 99% of the population right there with you, being wildly consistent across a veritable library of topics.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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Nope, but neither party does any of that, no matter what their candidates say during campaigns, which is Frank's point.
The discussion was not about the parties. It was about a single person.

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Obama started, extended or maintained hostilities all around the world, and is #1 all time on the use of the drone strike assassination. And every Democrat before him has all sort of blood on their hands. Nobody ends wars.

The last Republican president to preside over a balanced budget was Eisenhower. Nobody balances the budget. (Not even Clinton or the Gingrich House, who only ran surpluses together because a spike in GDP growth outpaced their ability to figure out how to overspend it).

A Democrat signed DOMA into law, after it passed the House 342-67 and the Senate 85-14. Both parties were against letting people marry whoever they want before both parties were for it.

On all three of your mentioned issues, history and facts back up Frank's point of logical inconsistency. Welcome to being a partisan, where regardless of wearing the red or blue team jersey, you get to be logically inconsistent by default. It's OK, you have 99% of the population right there with you, being wildly consistent across a veritable library of topics.
It has nothing to do with the person who called themselves a liberal conservative. They are not responsible for the actions of others.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:44 AM
 
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Taxes are going up. Tariffs are just another word for taxes.



The rest is simply following the path it was already on.
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