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Old 07-09-2019, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Yup. He should have won 2012 handily. Everything was lined up in his favor.

-Till he skewered and sank his entire campaign with that infamous 47% video. Arguably the single biggest political blunder in modern history.

Yes. That Romney.
I don't know about the biggest.

Picking Sarah Palin as your running mate was up there too.
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:58 PM
 
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Picking Sarah Palin as your running mate was up there too.
But she was proved right in almost everything she said. Including Drill Baby Drill, and that Russia would take part of the Ukrane under Obama's watch. You guys laughed at both.

It's the hapless community agitator who destroyed the Democrat party, and now they bleat about the Constitution being unfair to them.

Can't blame that on Sarah Palin. You guys are so whipped, you are looking to Mitt Romney for advice. hahahahahaha
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Old 07-09-2019, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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But she was proved right in almost everything she said.
hahahaahahahahaahahahahahaaaaaaaa :eek :
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Old 07-09-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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It's difficult to convince a party to change direction when they won the most recent presidential race using a completely different approach. Moreover, party leadership is most concerned with winning the next election cycle - rather than the "long term" which will feature a different set of issues and personalities from today, and cannot be predicted.

Yes, younger and nonwhite voters, as a whole, are currently not very supportive of the Republican party, and they will comprise an increasingly larger share of the electorate in the future. But the GOP can still come out ahead with little support from such voters, if they can nudge them towards third parties or sitting out the elections. Defeating Trump is going to be a grinding marathon, and the Democratic nominee should never assume they have it "in the bag", even if some prominent voices in the media suggest as such. But sorry to say, Trump partisans who are so gleeful to "own the libs" - he isn't guaranteed re-election either.
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Old 07-09-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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It's difficult to convince a party to change direction when they won the most recent presidential race using a completely different approach. Moreover, party leadership is most concerned with winning the next election cycle - rather than the "long term" which will feature a different set of issues and personalities from today, and cannot be predicted.

Yes, younger and nonwhite voters, as a whole, are currently not very supportive of the Republican party, and they will comprise an increasingly larger share of the electorate in the future. But the GOP can still come out ahead with little support from such voters, if they can nudge them towards third parties or sitting out the elections. Defeating Trump is going to be a grinding marathon, and the Democratic nominee should never assume they have it "in the bag", even if some prominent voices in the media suggest as such. But sorry to say, Trump partisans who are so gleeful to "own the libs" - he isn't guaranteed re-election either.
Good analysis. I would say that long term, and who can say exactly how long term, if you are dependent on a segment of the population that is shrinking with every election, and you are unable to expand your base, you eventually reach a point where in order to win you have to not only turn out your own base, but hope that the opposition just doesn’t turn out in large numbers, because you’ve past the point where you can win strictly based upon your own actions and have to depend upon apathy among your opponents or a third party splitting their vote. We’re not there yet, but it’s coming.
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Old 07-09-2019, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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"Romney strategist."

Yeah, I stopped reading there.
Yeah, winners need to take the advice of losers
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Old 07-09-2019, 06:18 PM
 
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It's difficult to convince a party to change direction when they won the most recent presidential race using a completely different approach. Moreover, party leadership is most concerned with winning the next election cycle - rather than the "long term" which will feature a different set of issues and personalities from today, and cannot be predicted.

Yes, younger and nonwhite voters, as a whole, are currently not very supportive of the Republican party, and they will comprise an increasingly larger share of the electorate in the future. But the GOP can still come out ahead with little support from such voters, if they can nudge them towards third parties or sitting out the elections. Defeating Trump is going to be a grinding marathon, and the Democratic nominee should never assume they have it "in the bag", even if some prominent voices in the media suggest as such. But sorry to say, Trump partisans who are so gleeful to "own the libs" - he isn't guaranteed re-election either.

Democrats keep losing because they hate Whitey.
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Old 07-09-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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Democrats keep losing because they hate Whitey.
Could you possibly be any more overtly racist?

You’re the poster who said around the time of the inaugural that they were anxious for Trump to get the “jungle junk” out of the White House and referred to Michelle Obama as “Mooch”.

Does every issue for you boil down to race?

Have you no common decency at all?
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Old 07-09-2019, 06:45 PM
 
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"Romney strategist."

Yeah, I stopped reading there.
It is hilarious.

I am amazed a Romney strategist does not feign being unemployed then to save their career.
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Old 07-09-2019, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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That assessment is overly simplistic. Don't forget that Trump was helped out by a bunch of disenfranchised independent/progressive young voters who didn't like the fact that Hillary was so much a part of the establishment. With the Democratic candidates that are running, it looks likely that those same voters will vote Democrat this time. The risk with that is that the Democrats end up alienating the more moderate voters. Right now it seems like the Republican and a Democrat parties both have problems and issues to work out.

What is safe to say is that eliminating the electoral college is absolutely not the right thing to do. Democrats and anti-Trumpers don't like it right now, but if we got rid of the electoral college those same people would be the first ones screaming when things didn't go their way.

While the Republican Party doesn't attract a lot of minority voters, it's also a mistake to assume that it is only the party of whites. In particular, there seem to be a fair number of conservative Hispanics who vote Republican. It would seem that until Democrats start taking a slightly tougher stance with illegal immigration, they're going to lose a few my Nordie voters on that issue as well.

More than a handful of voters seem to be suffering from Trump fatigue, whether that's because they hate him or because the media blows so much of what he says out of proportion, and is so constant with the negative reporting, the end result is that many people might want to see him gone. I think it boils down to what's happening with the economy at the time of the elections.
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