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Messing around with the electoral college won't be enough to save the Republican Party. The party needs many more women, Hispanics, Blacks, and Millennials to survive.
If it continues to the party of aging white men, it's doomed. There just aren't enough old white men left in the country for the party to survive for very much longer. They really need to reach out and get more members who are not white and male.
Messing around with the electoral college won't be enough to save the Republican Party. The party needs many more women, Hispanics, Blacks, and Millennials to survive.
If it continues to the party of aging white men, it's doomed. There just aren't enough old white men left in the country for the party to survive for very much longer. They really need to reach out and get more members who are not white and male.
Very true.
It's still true that the popular vote winner usually wins. If the GOP base keeps dwindling eventually the popular vote win for the Ds will easily overcome any electoral college bias.
The Republicans can survive for a very long time as a permanent minority party. They've been there before, for over 20 years.
20 years is enough time for the remnants of a generation to die out. Once a person is in their 80s, they vote less often, even if they're still kicking.
20 years is also plenty of time for a party to re-fashion itself. The Republicans have done that too. But can they do it again?
Besides that, what this individual is proposing may be unconstitutional.
I am pretty sure you are right: regardless people need to understand why we have the elector college an how it is very much something that needs to stay the way it is.
I be game for the electoral college being replaced by rank choice voting.
Open Primaries.
Let territories and those with history of prior felons vote.
Open primaries are the worst idea that has ever been created. Why should someone from another party have a chance to help select our party candidate? I have never understood this way of thinking. We do have open primaries here btw.
The Republican Party is becoming a populist-nationalist party, that views the trends over the past 40 years - which made the modern world - as being baleful, and the policies behind those trends as being perfidious.
Writing in 2019, the persons who have sustained damage over the past 40 years are overwhelming the white working-class. But if trends persist, many college graduates and racial minorities will come to share the same grievances. If populist-nationalism manages to transcend race, it can continue as a powerful force, even with changing racial demographics.
Democrats meanwhile have a fundamental problem. The Democratic Party has become a coalition of investors/professionals, who are benefiting from modernity, and minorities/disadvantaged people, who may not be doing well, but who seem themselves as having made progress over the past 40 years. But this is an unstable and incongruous coalition.
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The Republican solution for 2024 is Nikki Haley. ...
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...Picking Sarah Palin as your running mate was up there too.
Trump is the older-male version of Sarah Palin. It’s the same basic concept. If the choice were to be amongst female candidates, the Trump base doesn’t want a Nikki Haley style of candidate; they want another Sarah Palin. The modern Republican party is repudiating (or to quote Palin, refudiating) the Kasich/Rubio/Bush/Romney wing of the party. Whatever happens in 2020 (and my impression is that Trump will win handily), the 2024 Republican candidate is likely to be a younger and more polished version of Trump, rather than a more conventional Republican. And however demographics go, that candidate has reasonable chances to win – without Republicans have to do much to reform either their strategy or their platform.
I am pretty sure you are right: regardless people need to understand why we have the elector college an how it is very much something that needs to stay the way it is.
Getting rid of the EC would require an amendment to the Constitution.
The reason the EC was two things: (1) Framers didn't trust the people to elect the "right" person to the presidency, and in those days the "right" person was an aristocrat. Electors were not expected to rubber-stamp what the popular vote did as they do today so it was expected that if the populace voted in a nobody, the EC would vote in somebody else. (2) The EC was the only way to get the southern states to agree to electing the President by the populace rather than by Congress, because in the south slaves could not vote but they counted in the census towards the number of seats a slave got in the House. And the EC proposal used the same calculation.
Neither one of these reasons for the EC exist today so we should get rid of the EC. But it won't be easy as Amendments never are.
What it will take to get rid of the EC is likely the reverse of 2000 and 2016, if a GOP candidate were to receive a greater amount of popular votes, but the Dem managed to eek out an EC win.
Short of that, Rs perceive the EC as an advantage to them and you won't see red states get on board with getting rid of it. Some red states are required for either an amendment or the popular vote compact.
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