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View Poll Results: Who would you vote for if these were your choices?
Donald Trump 113 67.66%
Bernie Sanders 54 32.34%
Voters: 167. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-10-2020, 08:33 AM
 
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Neither.
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Old 02-10-2020, 08:36 AM
 
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But Colonel Sanders, right?
Colonel Sanders 2020..
'Keep America Extra Crispy'
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Old 02-10-2020, 08:38 AM
 
Location: USA
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But Colonel Sanders, right?
"Free Fried chicken for everyone"
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Old 02-10-2020, 08:39 AM
 
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This actually is a conversational topic in the office. Ultimately the government doesn't have any of the infrastructure to adjudicate medical claims at a mass scale sitting in it's back pocket. The consensus here is that if medicare for all passed the government would likely have to contract with companies that have the infrastructure to 'run' their plans. Whether that means that we would become government employees? Who knows really.

I do think that not all insurance companies are large enough to get that type of contract, so would all make it? No, of course there would be job losses. However I can tell you with absolute certainty job losses are coming no matter what. Essentially all of our $1B tax break we got from Trump has gone to investing in technologies meant to replace the bulk of our workforce.

Would I personally expect a smooth transition? Probably not. Change is never easy, especially structural changes. I think it would be worth it in the long run though.

As a side note I think the thing people get wrong in the united states is they think that hospitals, clinics etc would be run by the government....that isn't it at all. The piece being replaced is your insurance, not your providers.
Thanks for taking the time to respond! It's always nice to get the perspective from someone "in the trenches."

I can't say I take issue with anything you say. I know the government already contracts much of its Medicare processing out to big insurers like BCBS.

My suspicion is the biggest heartache, besides the McCarthyism smears about death panels or the FED taking over hospitals/doctors, will be retraining people to either find new jobs or support the government's healthcare system.
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:22 AM
 
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Since you have an employer provided plan I "assume" you are not poor. Might be a bad assumption.
Why do you want others with more money than you to have to pay for your deductibles and copays in the form of higher taxes?
Do you feel you should not be responsible for your own expenses?
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Let's frame this another way:

You're already paying for folks who are underinsured or have no insurance whenever they go to the doctor or hospital and get treatment (by law, these individuals can't be turned away).

Doctors and hospitals pass this cost along to insurance providers, and insurance proivders pass this cost along to policy holders.
I wasn't asking about people who can't afford to pay. I have nothing against a system that ensures those who truly cannot afford it are able to get quality health care regardless of their ability to pay.

I was asking why someone who has employer provided healthcare wants others to pay for his deductible and co pays.
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:26 AM
 
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I was asking why someone who has employer provided healthcare wants others to pay for his deductible and co pays.
That's an even more ridiculous question. They're going to pay the same payroll tax as you under a M4A system.

Do you not know how Medicare works?
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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in 16' I voted for Johnson....in 20' I will vote for Trump....there is no way I will vote for Commie Berrie
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Embarrassing, WA
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Colonel Sanders, Socialist Democrat. Free chicken for everyone! Yeah right haha.

Trump 2020
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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That's an even more ridiculous question. They're going to pay the same payroll tax as you under a M4A system.

Do you not know how Medicare works?
M4A screws the middleclass taxpayer


nuff said
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:46 AM
 
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Pointless polls on a forum that skews 75% right wing easily. Why not go poll the Fox News comments section?
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