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Old 02-19-2020, 08:49 AM
 
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Ahead of 2020 election, a 'Blue Wave' is rising in the cities

"Even as Trump commands rock-solid support among Republicans, voters’ interest in going to the polls appears to be growing faster among those who disapprove of Trump than among those who approve of him, according to experts who reviewed the data."

"The advantage in urban political engagement extends deep into the most competitive battleground states that Trump won by razor-thin margins four years ago, the data shows."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN20D1EG
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:59 AM
 
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The side-effect of Trump's use of rhetoric aimed at firing up his base is that it also fires up those who abhor him. Unfortunately for him, the latter category has greater numerosity.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:02 AM
 
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Exactly right, TEPLimey. Imagine if Trump was a gentleman and he shifted towards the center -- his approval would be well into the 50's.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:02 AM
 
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Ahead of 2020 election, a 'Blue Wave' is rising in the cities

"Even as Trump commands rock-solid support among Republicans, voters’ interest in going to the polls appears to be growing faster among those who disapprove of Trump than among those who approve of him, according to experts who reviewed the data."

"The advantage in urban political engagement extends deep into the most competitive battleground states that Trump won by razor-thin margins four years ago, the data shows."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN20D1EG
I think Bernie has taken Trump's strategy & is using this strategy of energizing your base. Using your base to amplify your talking points & having the base influence swing voters. This is how the blue wave is forming.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:04 AM
 
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The Anybody But Trump faction is the largest voting block in the country right now. If they turn out Trump loses.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:07 AM
 
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When you're already at the top of the mountain, the person climbing up toward you from base camp is necessarily rising faster than you.

If there's doubt how much enthusiasm there is among Trump voters, let's watch the numbers roll in from Republican primaries compared to previous incumbents running basically uncontested.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:11 AM
 
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When you're already at the top of the mountain, the person climbing up toward you from base camp is necessarily rising faster than you.

If there's doubt how much enthusiasm there is among Trump voters, let's watch the numbers roll in from Republican primaries compared to previous incumbents running basically uncontested.
There is no question that Trump's base is enthusiastic and will turn out to vote. However, 2018 should inform you that the anyone-but-Trump faction is also enthusiastic and will turn out to vote and that group is larger than his base. Moreover, Trump has proved incapable of broadening his base.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:15 AM
 
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When you're already at the top of the mountain, the person climbing up toward you from base camp is necessarily rising faster than you.
538 has Trump with 44.3% approval. I wouldn't exactly call that "top of the mountain."
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:28 AM
 
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There is no question that Trump's base is enthusiastic and will turn out to vote. However, 2018 should inform you that the anyone-but-Trump faction is also enthusiastic and will turn out to vote and that group is larger than his base. Moreover, Trump has proved incapable of broadening his base.
2018 followed historic trends so there was nothing unusual or noteworthy about it. And it looks like Trump has indeed expanded his base if the number of people showing up to vote for him in a de facto uncontested election is any indication. For the sake of comparison, Obama got 8,065 votes in Iowa in 2012. In 2020, Trump won 31,464 votes. In New Hampshire, Obama won 49,080 votes in 2012. In 2020, Trump got 129,696 votes. It looks to me like a lot of skeptics who sat out 2016 are all in for 2020.


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538 has Trump with 44.3% approval. I wouldn't exactly call that "top of the mountain."
Fair enough, feel free to coast into the 2020 election knowing your team has it in the bag.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:56 AM
 
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The Democrats have a big problem. Every special snowflake group has beefs with one candidate or another. That’s the problem with pandering to as many extremists groups as possible. Race warriors are protesting Bloomberg. Animal rights warriors are throwing red water on Bernie. Poverty warriors are slamming Mayor Pete for the conditions in South Bend. It’s going to be tough for any of them to beat OGP.
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