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Hey if your going to use Obama's middle name then why not use Hillary's. Oh that's right cause your trying to draw attention to Obama's "terrorist" sounding name. Grow up its not like he had any choice in his middle name. Your only proving your own narrow mindedness when you try to use propaganda and veiled words to persuade.
The use of the pres/pres hopeful's middle name is pretty common, isn't it? George W. Bush, William Jefferson Clinton, Regan....didn't use his much, I think it was Wilson...Nor Jimmy Carter, or Ford....But the media often called Kennedy "John F. Kennedy"....so if you are just asking the question straight out, it's not at all unusual. Hillary went through a longggggggggg period of being called Hill Rodham Clinton, at her request I think. Now, it's just Clinton...can't explain that.
And you must admit the left calls President Bush "W" all the time, with disdain.
But, to address your real point. Of course the right uses his middle name for their benefit. It is an unfortunate name to have while running for pres at this time in history. It highlights the fact that he has roots in the Islamic world. This is reality and the right is going to use it every chance they get so as to remind the public. It's not at all veiled. The left would do the same thing if they could.
While you right wing bed wetters are whipping up conspiracy theories, and building strawmen to attack, Obama is going full speed ahead. I would seriously recommend you actually try to address his policies, not embrace these internet hoaxes whipped up by NeoCon fascist media outlets, before November rolls around. America isn't buying your cheap slogans and buzz words this time around. Better bring some substance to the table, or prepare to get your butts handed to you.
Today in Tampa was around 20,000 or so. Not bad for noon in the middle of the week.
Well, I think what the OP posted is either true or false, and many are trying to determine that as we type. Remember, the Rev Wright fiasco cooked in the internet for months and months before the main stream media was forced to report on it.
I don't know what conspiracy theories you are talking about...that is usually a left wing kind of pactice. Oh, except that vast right wing conspiracy about Mr. Clinton having sex with an intern in the Oval Office...oh, yeah, that was reality, not a conspiracy.
Frankly, conservatives WANT to talk about Mr. Obama's policies. He is showing his Marxist leanings rather boldly in the last few weeks so now there is actually something to pin him down to rather than that squishy CHANGE and HOPE stuff he has been selling. All the free college, healthcare, tax cuts for the middle class...Oh, yes, the right definately wants to talk about this and let America know how he is going to PAY for all of this: TAXES, TAXES, TAXES.
As Mr. Obama finally has to reveal his far left policies the right will have comment on them.
Well, I think what the OP posted is either true or false, and many are trying to determine that as we type. Remember, the Rev Wright fiasco cooked in the internet for months and months before the main stream media was forced to report on it.
The "mainstream" media cares about ratings, not about serving the people. They care about numbers. It was a juicy story, and that's it. It mattered to ditto heads, and Sean Hannity types. That's about it. The "say it until it becomes the truth" Karl Rove types love this sort of story.
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I don't know what conspiracy theories you are talking about...that is usually a left wing kind of pactice.
Conspiracy theories like what? WMD?
Or Saddam's connections to Al Queda and 9-11? Those sort of conspiracy theories?
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Oh, except that vast right wing conspiracy about Mr. Clinton having sex with an intern in the Oval Office...oh, yeah, that was reality, not a conspiracy.
What type of strawman crap is this? Who said that was a conspiracy theory? You? LOL. Build it up and tear it down!
Sell it to somebody else please.
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Frankly, conservatives WANT to talk about Mr. Obama's policies. He is showing his Marxist leanings rather boldly in the last few weeks so now there is actually something to pin him down to rather than that squishy CHANGE and HOPE stuff he has been selling.
Oh really? Perhaps you'd like to give some more specific examples?
You are aware that Bush just gave Wall Street a 200 BILLION dollar bailout with your tax money right? If that ain't free market socialism, I don't know what else is.
I don't see conservatives addressing his policies, but rather, creating false statements (see below) and attacking those instead. Again, like I said, you better bring something of substance to the table, or prepare to get booted out on your behind. This will work for the 28 percent Koolaid bunch, but not for the rest of America.
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All the free college, healthcare, tax cuts for the middle class...Oh, yes, the right definately wants to talk about this and let America know how he is going to PAY for all of this: TAXES, TAXES, TAXES.
So you are against tax cuts for the middle class? And also against capital gains tax increase for individuals? Also against holding corporations accountable for paying their fair share of taxes? (Cheney's Halliburton just relocated to Dubai..imagine that.)
Again, your arguments are based on misinformation and fear, nothing else.
There is a far-reaching scandal brewing for presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, thanks to a radio talk show host based in Oregon. Syndicated talk host Laurie Roth's revelations make the news story about Obama's relationship with a racist, anti-American pastor look like child's play.
A top official at the Pentagon during former-President George H. W. Bush's Administration and a former CIA intelligence officer maintain that Barack Obama and former Weather Underground honcho William Ayers funneled money to Professor Rashid Khalidi, a known terrorist sympathizer.
Khalidi serves on the faculty of Columbia University in New York and is best known as the professor who invited Iranian President Ahmedinejad to visit Columbia University after he finished his speech at the United Nations. According to confidential sources, Khalidi has direct ties to the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), a group on the US State Department's list of known terrorist groups.
"One source for this information was once a top military figure in the 1990s. He doesn't take making allegations lightly. If he says something happened, believe me, it happened," said syndicated radio talk show host Laurie Roth. "Another source is a former agent for the Central Intelligence Agency, who is an expert in counterterrorism," said Roth, who broke the story on her show Friday night.
"I certainly don't want to demonize someone because they are a woman, black or liberal running for President. I love the idea that in our culture, a black and woman can now run. However, it does matter to me with any candidate, their consistency with good judgment, their voting record, their association with people with questionable backgrounds and commitment to our country," she said during her show.
Here are the connections as described by very reliable sources, who possess impressive military, national security and intelligence backgrounds:
Allison Davis, who hired the young Obama into his small, Chicago law firm Davis, Miner, and Barnhill in 1993, left the firm in late 1999-2000 and became a housing developer. Davis went into business with Tony Rezko, the indicted businessman who's scheduled to go on trial for corruption in Illinois, and who was a major fundraiser for Obama.
Davis met Rezko when he was a client of Davis, Miner, and Barnhill. Rezko is currently under indictment in Illinois for demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state government business contracts under Governor Blagojevich. Obama was identified as one of the politicians cited in the indictment as having received political contributions from Rezko out of his kickback funds.
Tony Rezko hosted fundraising events for Obama in his home and was on Obama's US Senate campaign finance committee which collected $14 million for his campaign against conservative Alan Keyes, an African-American who served as an Ambassador during the Reagan Administration. In order to avoid a scandal during his presidential campaign, Obama returned $85,000 that Rezko and his family had donated to him.
In early 2000, while Obama served as a state senator in Illinois, he also sat on the board of the nonprofit Woods Fund. The Woods Fund is a Chicago-based foundation that claims its primary mission is to make financial grants in order to increase and/or create opportunities for disadvantaged people and low-income communities.
The chairman of the Woods fund board in 2000 was Howard Stanback, who like Obama also had connections to Davis, according to the reliable sources.
Davis submitted a grant request to the Woods Foundation for a $1 million investment in his development partnership, Neighborhood Rejuvenation LP, that would be used to finance low-income senior-citizen housing.
Under normal circumstances, a board member is supposed to recuse himself or herself from decisions where they have a business or personal relationship.
Obama, who did not recuse himself, voted to approve Davis' grant request. Stanback, on the other hand, abstained from voting. The housing project, which also received a $5.7 million loan from the city of Chicago, in turn donated almost $70,000 in political contributions to Obama's presidential campaign.
In the past, Rezko gave Obama -- who served as an Illinois State Senator -- his first two political contributions in 1995, $1,000 each from two of his companies. In 1998, State Senator Obama wrote letters to city and state officials urging them to fund a Davis-Rezko housing project. It was an obvious quid pro quo arrangement.
Another major fundraiser for Obama is William Ayers, who also sat on the board of the Woods Fund with Obama and is a professor at the University of Chicago.
Bill Ayers, along with his wife Bernadine Dohrn, was an active member of the Weather Underground, a radical left-wing group that advocated violence against the United States. Both Ayers and Dohrn went "underground" in 1970 after others in the group accidentally detonated a bomb in a Greenwich Village (New York City) townhouse. The blast killed three of the group's members including Ayers' girlfriend at the time.
While Ayers and Dohrn were hiding from law enforcement, the Weather Underground participated in the bombings of the US Capital, the Pentagon and a State Department building. In 1981 Ayers and Dohrn turned themselves in to federal authorities, but all charges were dropped as a result of alleged "government legal misconduct." In his 2001 memoir, Ayers wrote, "I don't regret setting the bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."
Ayers and Dohrn are known to have held at least one fundraiser for Barack Obama in their Chicago home.
During Obama's last year on the board of The Woods Fund (2002), he participated in awarding grants, including a $70,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, a Chicago-based group founded by Rashid and Mona Khalidi.
In another suspected quid pro quo arrangement similar to those with Ayers and Rezko, Rashid Khalidi also held a fundraising event in his home for Barack Obama.
In the Middle East, Rashid Khalidi was known as a man to be reckoned with. From 1972 through 1983, Khalidi was the director in Beirut of the official Palestinian press agency, FAFA. His wife worked there as well.
According to sources, when the Khalidi's left Chicago for Columbia University in New York, Rashid was honored with the Edward Said Chair in Arab Studies at that Ivy League university. Their goodbye party in Chicago included testimonials from Bill Ayers and Barack Obama.
"What other fund raising connections does Obama have? How many times can you look the other way in church and with fund raising situations with more than questionable people?" asked Ms. Roth.
"We all make mistakes in judgment with people and their backgrounds sometimes, but usually we learn and pick better friends and associates. How come Obama seems to have continued hanging around more than questionable characters with anti American backgrounds and some with criminal behaviors? Now one is being indicted, Tony Rezco, who raised a ton of money for Obama," she said.
"As President, how much would he look the other way when dealing with national security and dangers to our country? How much would he listen passively to terrorist leaders then lecture us on our ugly American status? This kind of change is not what our country needs!" added the popular talk show host, whose show is syndicated by USA Radio Network.
In a related story, during an interview on Thursday morning (March 20) with Black Panther leader Malik Zulu Shabazz, Fox News Channel viewers learned that Shabazz' group endorsed and supported Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States. Even on Fox -- an organization wrongly accused of being "conservative" -- the interviewers were careful in their questioning of Shabazz, a recognized racist and anti-American radical.
The New Black Panther Party leader proudly announced on Fox News that his organization endorsed and Obama for President.
"While some people may say that Barack Obama has no control over who endorses him, he should have control over what endorsements are posted on his websites," said Laurie Roth, who, besides hosting a popular talk show, is a regular columnist for NewswithViews.com
"The endorsement of the New Black Panther Party was posted on Barack Obama's website. Why was this tolerated unless Barack Obama wanted their endorsement? If he does not want their endorsement, how much control over his staff is he going to have once he's elected President?" asks Mike Baker.
The New Black Panther Party is openly anti-White, anti-Jewish, and anti-America.After Obama's Tuesday damage-control speech, his campaign pulled the Black Panthers' endorsement story off their website.
It's also been reported that Obama's campaign staff was allowed to fly a Che Guevara flag inside his office, according to NewsMax.
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"Do these revelations demonstrate a pattern of Barack Obama's judgment? If so, then I do not want him dealing with world leaders. I do not want these groups having access to the White House. Do you?" asks the New Jersey-based political strategist.
"It appears the Barack Obama water carriers within the mainstream news media are on the job as usual -- ignoring another story that has the alternative media on the Internet buzzing: Obama's embracement of an endorsement by the radical, racist organization," Baker added.
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While you right wing bed wetters are whipping up conspiracy theories, and building strawmen to attack, Obama is going full speed ahead. I would seriously recommend you actually try to address his policies, not embrace these internet hoaxes whipped up by NeoCon fascist media outlets, before November rolls around. America isn't buying your cheap slogans and buzz words this time around. Better bring some substance to the table, or prepare to get your butts handed to you.
Today in Tampa was around 20,000 or so. Not bad for noon in the middle of the week.
Whoa. Somebody had a little bit too much kool-aid........
I have posting that this guy has allot of skeletons we havent seen yet, there is something that smells really bad about this guy and for the life of me we all know that he is a racists, he lies and he has not a single accomplishment in his life that would even put him in the position to run for the Presidency.
We havent seen nothing yet, his friends are known to be trouble and he has lied to us over and over again.
Isnt it time we find out more about this man, he is not even worthy of running for the WH.
I have been on him since I voted for him and get allot of raff about it, but I can tell you I smell a rat in this man and we are finding out I may just be right.
Obama is bad news, like it or not. I suppose if there was proof this guy was attached to all the above the Obama followers would still vote for him.
Dems better get prepared to vote for Hillary because this is going to get real dirty.
The "mainstream" media cares about ratings, not about serving the people. They care about numbers. It was a juicy story, and that's it. It mattered to ditto heads, and Sean Hannity types. That's about it. The "say it until it becomes the truth" Karl Rove types love this sort of story.
Conspiracy theories like what? WMD?
Or Saddam's connections to Al Queda and 9-11? Those sort of conspiracy theories?
What type of strawman crap is this? Who said that was a conspiracy theory? You? LOL. Build it up and tear it down!
Sell it to somebody else please.
Oh really? Perhaps you'd like to give some more specific examples?
You are aware that Bush just gave Wall Street a 200 BILLION dollar bailout with your tax money right? If that ain't free market socialism, I don't know what else is.
I don't see conservatives addressing his policies, but rather, creating false statements (see below) and attacking those instead. Again, like I said, you better bring something of substance to the table, or prepare to get booted out on your behind. This will work for the 28 percent Koolaid bunch, but not for the rest of America.
So you are against tax cuts for the middle class? And also against capital gains tax increase for individuals? Also against holding corporations accountable for paying their fair share of taxes? (Cheney's Halliburton just relocated to Dubai..imagine that.)
Again, your arguments are based on misinformation and fear, nothing else.
You are joking about the conspiracy/Clinton-Lewinski comment right? You don't know about Hillary saying that it was a vast right wing conspiracy? This has followed her around like a lead weight for years.
You sound like you are pretty into the whole uber-left wing, Daily Kos, Democratic Underground thing. That's fine, but while I know what your side is all about (and the problems with this kind of ideology) I doubt if you have much of a realistic picture about conservatives. You don't have to refute this...it's pretty obvious you only read things that agree with your view point. It might be a fun experiment for you to chuck the emotions out the window as well as the thinking that the right are "evil" and do a little reading about the oposition.
OP, this is all addressed in the "Do you think this will hurt him in November?" thread. The article and the conservative talk radio host's piece it quotes are dated the end of March and cover, as you saw when you read the article, the same tired accusations that fizzled back then like the dud sparklers they are.
I have posting that this guy has allot of skeletons we havent seen yet, there is something that smells really bad about this guy and for the life of me we all know that he is a racists, he lies and he has not a single accomplishment in his life that would even put him in the position to run for the Presidency.
We havent seen nothing yet, his friends are known to be trouble and he has lied to us over and over again.
Isnt it time we find out more about this man, he is not even worthy of running for the WH.
I have been on him since I voted for him and get allot of raff about it, but I can tell you I smell a rat in this man and we are finding out I may just be right.
Obama is bad news, like it or not. I suppose if there was proof this guy was attached to all the above the Obama followers would still vote for him.
Dems better get prepared to vote for Hillary because this is going to get real dirty.
Like another poster said, I too have been doing alot of research, and reading about all of the candidates. and I wouldn't vote for Obama. I think he is an eloquent speaker, and a likable man--but I don't trust someone that young and inexperienced to run the country--plus you are known by the company you keep, and his company is questionable. I wouldn't vote for Hillary, or Mccain either. They are older, and more experienced, but what have they ever done in all that time for the benefit of the Country? I think it's "write in" time.
"Dems better get prepared to vote for Hillary because this is going to get real dirty."
I think the Democrats are making a huge mistake by nominating Barack Hussein Obama over Hillary Clinton.
I think the Democrats would make a huge mistake if they nominated Hilliary Rodham Clinton over Obama.
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I agree, mostly
