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Old 05-12-2022, 06:28 AM
 
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And there is this court ruling from September 2021 -

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litiga...rt-2021-09-23/
Thanks for simply posting a link without providing commentary about the content. It implies that you didn't either bother to read or failed to comprehend the content of the article.

The facts of the link are that in 2019 a former US Army lieutenant was found guilty by a military jury of murder by ordering his platoon to fire upon three Afghans, killing two of them. He received a 19 year sentence. After exhausting his appeals, the convicted murderer filed a petition in federal court to challenge his convictions. Three days later, President Trump granted the convicted murderer a pardon. The convicted and now pardoned murderer is still attempting to petition the conviction, stating that the pardon did not restore his back-pay, his rank, or his VA benefits.

The 10th US Circuit Court of Appeals delivered a ruling that the acceptance of a presidential pardon by the convicted murderer did not constitute a confession of guilt that would bar him from challenging his convictions; this ruling is the first and only time that a federal appeals court has decided whether acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt. Note the qualifier to the ruling.
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Old 05-12-2022, 06:20 PM
 
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Thanks for simply posting a link without providing commentary about the content. It implies that you didn't either bother to read or failed to comprehend the content of the article.

The facts of the link are that in 2019 a former US Army lieutenant was found guilty by a military jury of murder by ordering his platoon to fire upon three Afghans, killing two of them. He received a 19 year sentence. After exhausting his appeals, the convicted murderer filed a petition in federal court to challenge his convictions. Three days later, President Trump granted the convicted murderer a pardon. The convicted and now pardoned murderer is still attempting to petition the conviction, stating that the pardon did not restore his back-pay, his rank, or his VA benefits.

The 10th US Circuit Court of Appeals delivered a ruling that the acceptance of a presidential pardon by the convicted murderer did not constitute a confession of guilt that would bar him from challenging his convictions; this ruling is the first and only time that a federal appeals court has decided whether acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt. Note the qualifier to the ruling.
People don't need to have an interpretation of the article, they can read it on their own and determine whether or not to accept it.

Your reply didn't cover the legal analysis of Burdick in the article that is copied below -

But Senior U.S. Circuit Judge David Ebel declined to adopt that "draconian" reading of Burdick, saying the statement was an aside, or dicta, in the court's overall holding on the legal effect of someone's unaccepted pardon.

Ebel said no court since had ever held that accepting a pardon was akin to confessing guilt and that the ruling instead simply meant that accepting one "only makes the pardonee look guilty by implying or imputing that he needs the pardon."

"If the Court had meant to impute other, legal consequences to the acceptance of a presidential pardon, it surely would have said so explicitly," Ebel wrote.

And while Trump could have conditioned a pardon upon an admission of guilt, "the pardon was instead merely agnostic as to Lorance's guilt, not purporting to speak to guilt or innocence," Ebel said.
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Old 06-02-2022, 03:20 PM
 
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Brnovich just lost Trump's endorsement:


https://news.yahoo.com/trump-endorse...ycsrp_catchall


will be curious to see how the primary plays out.
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Old 06-02-2022, 08:26 PM
 
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Brnovich just lost Trump's endorsement:


https://news.yahoo.com/trump-endorse...ycsrp_catchall


will be curious to see how the primary plays out.

Late in the game to be flip flopping independent voters can vote in the primary of their choice I suspect Brnovich will win it without Trumps endorsement. The people in that video will be disappointed when they see Mark Kelly retain his senate seat here.

The problem here is MAGA's think they are some kind of majority yet only 33% of registered voters are republicans how many of those are hard core MAGA's.

Blake Masters when did he move to Arizona last week?

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Old 06-03-2022, 08:50 AM
 
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Brnovich just lost Trump's endorsement:


https://news.yahoo.com/trump-endorse...ycsrp_catchall


will be curious to see how the primary plays out.
Blake Masters talking about the endorsement he received from Trump on yesterday's Steve Bannon warroom episode, starts at around 11:00 minute mark. It will be interesting to see if Brnovich will now debate Masters prior to the primary. Mark Kelly will certainly have problems now that he has a voting record in the Senate.

https://warroom.org/2022/06/02/episo...walkaway-live/
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Old 06-04-2022, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Limbo
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Guillermina Fuentes, the 66-year-old former mayor of San Luis, Arizona, pleaded guilty on June 2 to one count of ballot abuse for her role in an August 2020 primary election ballot harvesting scheme, according to the Arizona Attorney General’s office.
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Old 06-04-2022, 08:11 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Guillermina Fuentes, the 66-year-old former mayor of San Luis, Arizona, pleaded guilty on June 2 to one count of ballot abuse for her role in an August 2020 primary election ballot harvesting scheme, according to the Arizona Attorney General’s office.
Yep, we know.

Less than a dozen ballots, but I'm glad she was caught and is being punished.

Also - Trump won Yuma Co by a larger margin in 2020 than he did in 2016.

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Old 06-05-2022, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Guillermina Fuentes, the 66-year-old former mayor of San Luis, Arizona, pleaded guilty on June 2 to one count of ballot abuse for her role in an August 2020 primary election ballot harvesting scheme, according to the Arizona Attorney General’s office.
What's interesting about the law is if she lived in any of these deep red states like Florida, South Carolina, Louisiana, South Dakota, and Kentucky it would be perfectly legal what she did. 25 states allow for voter to choose anyone to return a ballot.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_harvesting_laws_by_state
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Old 06-06-2022, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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The problem with AG Bronovich was he was against the investigation into the Arizona election, until it benefited him and his political aspirations. The guy went from a rare Republican I actually gladly voted for to being a partisan hack like the rest of the paint-by-number Arizona Republicans I have to choose between or vote Democrat. I am yet to hear an Arizona Senator candidate running as a Republican not acting like a Trump supporter. Guess I'll vote to keep Sen. Kelly by default... I'm not adverse voting Republicans, just Trump Republicans and the religious right Republicans.
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Old 06-06-2022, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Blake Masters talking about the endorsement he received from Trump on yesterday's Steve Bannon warroom episode, starts at around 11:00 minute mark. It will be interesting to see if Brnovich will now debate Masters prior to the primary. Mark Kelly will certainly have problems now that he has a voting record in the Senate.

https://warroom.org/2022/06/02/episo...walkaway-live/
I don't think so. Sen. Kelly is likable unlike the other Senator from Arizona. Plus he is running against Trump and Trump bootlicker Republicans. Arizona didn't like Trump in polling dating back to 2019 and Trump trailer Biden then. Guess what, Biden won the state a year later.
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