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Old 06-17-2022, 01:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
It's funny that Republicans are so upset about mail-in ballots when traditionally it has worked in Republican favor across the country. Political analysts and consultants of both parties have known this for decades.

The only reason people are upset is because Trump made a phony-baloney excuse about it in his last campaign, and the mass of gullible followers in the MAGA camp swallowed the claim hook, line and sinker.

Now they are all scared of mail-in balloting, when they should be excited about it.
Weirdly, I received a mailer from Trump himself during the 2020 campaign, urging me to vote early by mail, and including a ballot application.

 
Old 06-18-2022, 06:57 AM
 
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That does not seem practical does it? How would you "see" your ballot counted? In my state, if you vote in person you put your ballot into the tabulator. That doesn't really prove that it was counted. It could be fake. The machine could be counting it differently than you voted. Your "receipt" could be bogus. The number they gave you for your count could be completely made up. No, you gotta take some things on faith and trust. Until you know who came along and got beat, Americans rightly had a good deal of both in their elections.
Agree with your concerns. How do you know your ballot count counted, and accurately? And there are no added fake ballots?

I think it's possible with a run-off election and the ballot has a few candidates. We go back to voting in person at your local precinct. It all starts with valid registered voters. You must register in the county you live in by providing proof of residence, ID, etc.

At the precinct you show your ID and voter registration card. Then you drop your ballot into a large see-through ballot box. When voting is over the ballots are taken out and counted. Here's the new twist: it's ALL on live stream camera, and recorded for playback later. A lot of precincts ban cameras. What's to hide?

In my system cameras record EVERYTHING in each precinct on election day:

1. Video each person in line to drop their ballot. Yes, you get in line one by one. There is only ONE ballot box and it's clear and see-through and on live camera. This allows PROOF of how many people dropped a ballot into the ballot box.

2. Video captures ballots taken out of the box ONE AT A TIME and counted at a table that has an adding machine also ONE AT A TIME. Everyone can see the adding machine on a large display. Each ballot is shown on camera and a poll worker adds +1 to the candidate on the ballot. We thus see each ballot counted one at a time, and we see the adding machine add +1 to the candidates tally. Every tally starts at ZERO and adds +1.

Anyone in the public can watch and also record on camera it all too. This way there will be multiple cameras recording it all.

Each precinct does this same thing. Anyone can watch the live stream of the voting and tallying, or watch the videos posted online. IN this way you know your ballot was counted because you got in line and dropped your ballot, and watched every ballot get counted.

When the last ballot taken out of the box is counted, the adding machine shows the final tallies, also on live/recorded camera. That's the precinct totals showing the winner. Every precinct does the same and precinct tallies are all totaled together only when all videos of the precincts are gathered. A spreadsheet is posted online that counts the precincts together. ANYONE can watch any precinct video to confirm EVERY ballot was counted accurately.

This is one way you know your ballot was counted. VIDEO IS PROOF! We use video in court rooms and in sports games.

This is going back to the old way of voting. You have to show up and drop a ballot into a box. Sticking your ballot into a machine is untrustworthy. Especially when a precinct has multiple machines. One machine might be defective. No more computers and machines! Use adding machines and video! And each ballot counted one at a time, starting with count ZERO on up, +1

I think there might be a way to actually see your ballot being counted. Still working on that. However the above system proves your ballot got counted, and tallied accurately.
 
Old 06-19-2022, 10:30 AM
 
Location: az
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With regards to mail-in ballots/ballot harvesting: Any tight race the Dems will find the votes.

Caruso was smart to register as a Democrat. The media will demonize him as a republican (which he is...) but voters will see "D"
 
Old 06-19-2022, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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With regards to mail-in ballots/ballot harvesting: Any tight race the Dems will find the votes.

Caruso was smart to register as a Democrat. The media will demonize him as a republican (which he is...) but voters will see "D"
Yup which is why the two closest congressional races in 2020 IA-02 and NY-22 went Democratic. Oh wait.....
 
Old 06-19-2022, 11:14 AM
 
Location: az
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Yup which is why the two closest congressional races in 2020 IA-02 and NY-22 went Democratic. Oh wait.....
We're talking Cal.
 
Old 06-19-2022, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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We're talking Cal.
The four close Congressional races in California in 2020 all went Republican, including one the GOP won by 333 votes out of 339,000 cast
 
Old 06-19-2022, 11:44 AM
 
Location: az
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The four close Congressional races in California in 2020 all went Republican, including one the GOP won by 333 votes out of 339,000 cast
And now the below has been implemented it (close R win.) will never happen again. Ballot harvesting will ensure it doesn't.
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...omes-permanent


It will be interesting to watch AZ in 2022 and 2024 given ballot harvesting is not allowed.

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Old 06-19-2022, 12:06 PM
 
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Will the last Republican in California please turnout the lights.
And would the last legal American citizen to leave California, please bring the flag.
 
Old 06-19-2022, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Kinda like how Colorado has universal mail-in balloting, and Lauren Boebert, Ken Buck, and Doug Lamborn never won, right?
Mail in is subject to more abuse but you can only move the results some by mail in ballots before it becomes very obvious. Interestingly - did not cite any examples from CA or other very blue states.
 
Old 06-19-2022, 09:00 PM
 
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Mail in is subject to more abuse but you can only move the results some by mail in ballots before it becomes very obvious. Interestingly - did not cite any examples from CA or other very blue states.
Well they are already very blue so why would they have to cheat? That's like saying Texas is red because they cheat in elections.

BTW, if it is that easy to cheat, it is adorable that conservatives believe their own people aren't doing it. Obviously, they'd be cheating like crazy. What then?
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