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Is there any data that shows higher voter turnout leads to better leadership?
Irrelevant. Voting rights aren't based on "better leadership" outcomes. I doubt there is data on this, or data on lower voter turnout leading to better leadership, but if you're intimating that voting should be restricted to what you, personally, deem people who will vote for "better leadership" - in other words, your preference - then we are taking the democratic process out entirely and inviting autoritarianship.
I mean if that's your desire, fine, but in that case the U.S. may not be the best place for you. Here, we all get to vote, unless we are underage, not citizens, or are felons.
So during COVID restrictions, there isn't a risk of cheating? But now, suddenly, just a year and a half later...there is?
More pretzel twisting. I think we're going to need a flow chart of "what is and isn't cheating, and when, per conservatives." Sort of like...Did you receive a mail-in ballot? Yes..no If yes, are you a conservative? If yes...NO FRAUD. If no...FRAUD. Something simple like that for us all to follow. Thanks!
What? Who said there wasn't cheating during covid restrictions? That's what opened the door for new ways of cheating.
Here's what is and isn't cheating.
You request a mail-in ballot, fill it out, sign it, and send it in. That isn't cheating.
Your activist granddaughter requests a mail-in ballot for you because she knows you never bother to vote, fills it out, forges your signature or sweet talks you into signing it, and sends it in. That's cheating.
You request a mail-in ballot even though you couldn't care less, sign it and give/sell it to a friend who does care, they fill it out, and send it in. That's cheating.
You steal mail-in ballots from mailboxes, fill them out, forge sloppy signatures that won't be seriously checked, and send them in. That's cheating.
Irrelevant. Voting rights aren't based on "better leadership" outcomes. I doubt there is data on this, or data on lower voter turnout leading to better leadership, but if you're intimating that voting should be restricted to what you, personally, deem people who will vote for "better leadership" - in other words, your preference - then we are taking the democratic process out entirely and inviting autoritarianship.
I mean if that's your desire, fine, but in that case the U.S. may not be the best place for you. Here, we all get to vote, unless we are underage, not citizens, or are felons.
That was when mail-in ballots were used legitimately by people who couldn't make it to the polls not by people who just didn't want to bother with it (or didn't vote so they let someone else send in their ballot).
Maybe in your fantasy, not in reality. Ignoring for the moment the case of service personnel and state department officials needing to vote remotely, let's address this claim of yours.
"That was when mail-in ballots were used ... " by vacationers with plenty of money. People with more than one home who spend a lot of time away from their place of registry, wealthy people ... businesspeople. It was, and is, a common practice. This is why mail in votes normally skew toward Republicans.
Trump routinely votes by mail in ballot, even now. He is typical for wealthy people, the ideal type to use mail in voting even when they are healthy and home and have plenty of time on their hands. I read an article a few years ago where Kayleigh McEnany, from a wealthy family herself ... as young as she is voted by mail-in ballot ten times! She was born in 1988 for Christ's sake ... that was probably her entire adult voting record at the time. This is the typical mail-in voter you call "legitimate".
You are arguing that these people, who often used mail in voting as a convenience, was more "legitimate".
BS
That kind of 'the wealthy not wanting to rub elbows with common folk' is a more legitimate use of mail-in balloting than avoiding crowds during a pandemic? Nonsense.
Before Trump and his lies and fabrications about mail-in voting, several states had chosen to go all in with mail-in voting. These were bi-partisan decisions where BOTH parties, local Republicans AND Democrats, supported the measure. Not a hint of concern over it by either party.
Eight states—California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont and Washington—allow all elections to be conducted by mail.
Two states—Nebraska and North Dakota—permit counties to opt into conducting elections by mail.
Nine states—Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Missouri, Montana, New Mexico and Wyoming—allow specific small elections to be conducted by mail.
Four states—Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and New Mexico—permit all-mail elections for certain small jurisdictions.
The idea that widespread mail-in voting is not legitimate is all an artificial construct, a false narrative, and you bought into it.
What? Who said there wasn't cheating during covid restrictions? That's what opened the door for new ways of cheating.
Here's what is and isn't cheating.
You request a mail-in ballot, fill it out, sign it, and send it in. That isn't cheating.
Your activist granddaughter requests a mail-in ballot for you because she knows you never bother to vote, fills it out, forges your signature or sweet talks you into signing it, and sends it in. That's cheating.
You request a mail-in ballot even though you couldn't care less, sign it and give/sell it to a friend who does care, they fill it out, and send it in. That's cheating.
You steal mail-in ballots from mailboxes, fill them out, forge sloppy signatures that won't be seriously checked, and send them in. That's cheating.
And here's what else happens:
Your "activitst" (of course, LOL) daughter requests a mail-in ballot for you, fills it out, forges your signature, and sends it in. She could do the same thing posing as you at the voting booth. (shrug)
You steal mail-in ballots from mailboxes, forge sloppy signatures, they will be checked, and you send them in. And the police come to your door.
Now. "Who said there wasn't cheating during COVID restrictions?" I was answering a post making odd claims about how there is less cheating with only certain mail-ins; please re-read it.
As for trying to vote in the name of other people, we saw a few of those as people trying to vote for Trump; and a very conservative "new" mailman trying to throw many ballots away, hmmmm. I mean...they got caught. But it's amusing to think that only one side would cheat in this scenario; that's been the song for 18 months now. And it's amusing that this was never a concern until conservatives lost. When you win, it's "well, the people have spoken." Pretty illogical. Look at your highest leaders and tell me they don't actively cheat; I'm sorry that I don't believe the virtue signaling from the right.
The goal of better leadership is never irrelevant.
Claiming only votes that you personally feel would cause that, is restricting voting rights to the people you personally want voting. Sorry, that's not how voting works. Not in the U.S., anyway.
What? Who said there wasn't cheating during covid restrictions? That's what opened the door for new ways of cheating.
Here's what is and isn't cheating.
You request a mail-in ballot, fill it out, sign it, and send it in. That isn't cheating.
Your activist granddaughter requests a mail-in ballot for you because she knows you never bother to vote, fills it out, forges your signature or sweet talks you into signing it, and sends it in. That's cheating.
You request a mail-in ballot even though you couldn't care less, sign it and give/sell it to a friend who does care, they fill it out, and send it in. That's cheating.
You steal mail-in ballots from mailboxes, fill them out, forge sloppy signatures that won't be seriously checked, and send them in. That's cheating.
Voter fraud is a felony it's highly unlikely that the "activist Granddaughter" or a "friend" would commit a felony when doing so would not change an election but could result in them going to prison. What I find interesting is how many of the actual proven cases of voter fraud were votes for Trump, and why Republicans never questioned unusually high win rates by candidates in their party. Maybe you could explain that to us, and tell us if all this nonsense about voter fraud would have even been an issue that anyone talked about if Trump had won.
Voter fraud is a felony it's highly unlikely that the "activist Granddaughter" or a "friend" would commit a felony when doing so would not change an election but could result in them going to prison. What I find interesting is how many of the actual proven cases of voter fraud were votes for Trump, and why Republicans never questioned unusually high win rates by candidates in their party. Maybe you could explain that to us, and tell us if all this nonsense about voter fraud would have even been an issue that anyone talked about if Trump had won.
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I mean...as usual, it's all projection.