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Old 09-22-2022, 09:47 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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Sept 21-2022
Kelly leading Masters by 12 points in Arizona Senate race: poll...
https://news.yahoo.com/kelly-leading...&tsrc=twtr
That is a garbage poll... (This is not an attack on you, I know you are just the messenger.)

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An Ohio Predictive Insights (OHPI) poll released Wednesday found that Kelly is backed by 47 percent of likely voters, while Masters has support from 35 percent. Libertarian Marc Victor received support from 6 percent of those surveyed, while 12 percent said they were undecided.
Mr. Masters is only receiving 35% of the vote?...

Twelve percent are undecided, which is the exact margin of what Senator Kelly is supposedly leading by...

The Libertarian candidate is receiving six percent of the vote?...

Most of those "undecided" voters will vote for Mr. Masters, and a percentage point or two of those Libertarian "voters" will vote for Mr. Masters, meaning that this race is really tied, which means that Mr. Masters *likely* has an ever-so slight advantage over Senator Kelly, given that polls generally underestimate Republican support. It is likely that Mrs. Lake winning the Governorship will pull Mr. Masters across the finish line, albeit narrowly.
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Old 09-22-2022, 11:19 AM
 
Location: az
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That is a garbage poll... (This is not an attack on you, I know you are just the messenger.)



Mr. Masters is only receiving 35% of the vote?...

Twelve percent are undecided, which is the exact margin of what Senator Kelly is supposedly leading by...

The Libertarian candidate is receiving six percent of the vote?...

Most of those "undecided" voters will vote for Mr. Masters, and a percentage point or two of those Libertarian "voters" will vote for Mr. Masters, meaning that this race is really tied, which means that Mr. Masters *likely* has an ever-so slight advantage over Senator Kelly, given that polls generally underestimate Republican support. It is likely that Mrs. Lake winning the Governorship will pull Mr. Masters across the finish line, albeit narrowly.

Cahaly mentions in his interview there are two kinds of Trafalgar polls. Those which Trafalgar pays for (like the ones you see on RCP) and those say a PAC pays them to conduct. If a PAC is paying Trafalgar notes this for the public to see.

Cahaly says there are partisan political pollsters and pollsters who aim to please a paying client.

However, Cahaly says Trafalger is neither. If a PAC is paying they won't tell them what they want to hear.

Reputation is everything according to Cahaly.
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Outside US
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In addition to the 8 point margin in the poll with Kelly.

Masters has an unfavorability rating of 54%. Favorability is 37%.
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:37 PM
 
Location: az
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In addition to the 8 point margin in the poll with Kelly.

Masters has an unfavorability rating of 54%. Favorability is 37%.

Despite an enormous amount of money spent on his campaign Kelly can't break away. Master is within 2 points. Turnout will determine the winner.

Masters? I don't see him anywhere. I think his campaign is just about broke

My guess is independents are supporting Masters for the same reason I am: they don't want the Dems to control the senate.
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Despite an enormous amount of money spent on his campaign Kelly can't break away. Master is within 2 points. Turnout will determine the winner.

Masters? I don't see him anywhere. I think his campaign is just about broke

My guess is independents are supporting Masters for the same reason I am: they don't want the Dems to control the senate.
It's Arizona were a swing state no one wins by 10-15% anymore. 10-15 years ago we could all say that Republican's would win by 10-20 points maybe even more no longer the case. Republicans need to moderate if they wish to win here things are changing. Republican's only amount to 34% of the voting population. There is a reason 33% of voters have chosen to register as an independent voter. Arizona GOP needs to get rid of Kelli Ward she is a drag on the party.
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:25 PM
 
Location: az
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It's Arizona were a swing state no one wins by 10-15% anymore. 10-15 years ago we could all say that Republican's would win by 10-20 points maybe even more no longer the case. Republicans need to moderate if they wish to win here things are changing. Republican's only amount to 34% of the voting population. There is a reason 33% of voters have chosen to register as an independent voter. Arizona GOP needs to get rid of Kelli Ward she is a drag on the party.

I suspect independents in AZ will break for Masters, Lake ect not so much as a show of support for Rep. candidates but more of a vote against the Dems.
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Old 09-22-2022, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I suspect independents in AZ will break for Masters, Lake ect not so much as a show of support for Rep. candidates but more of a vote against the Dems.
If that were true why didn't they in 2020?
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Old 09-22-2022, 11:24 PM
 
Location: az
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If that were true why didn't they in 2020?
Because they like what the Dems were offering in 2020. 2022? Not so much.

Kyrsten Sinema would likely be a shoo-in for reelection but not Kelly. Kelly is outspending Masters by millions but can't break away. What's Master doing that's keeping him in the race? The only Master ad I saw in recent weeks was his twitter post regarding the border. Which was very good I thought but how many people outside of his base did that reach? Yet, he's still within striking distance.

Next up... Oct. 6.
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Old 09-22-2022, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Outside US
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Despite an enormous amount of money spent on his campaign Kelly can't break away. Master is within 2 points. Turnout will determine the winner.

Masters? I don't see him anywhere. I think his campaign is just about broke

My guess is independents are supporting Masters for the same reason I am: they don't want the Dems to control the senate
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Yes, I think there are definitely voters who will be voting "party" for this reason.

For me, I never want the same party in the White House control both houses (House and Senate).
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Old 09-23-2022, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Out there somewhere...a traveling man.
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I suspect independents in AZ will break for Masters, Lake ect not so much as a show of support for Rep. candidates but more of a vote against the Dems.
And if that happens you'll be sorry and paying for it.
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