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Old 09-28-2022, 09:33 PM
 
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If Democrats can't indict him in 4 years since he has been a private citizen...
It's not just democrats now. This is the first time we're seeing republicans supporting investigations around him. Republicans were largely silent in the past because because he was tied to the party even though his views were not conservative.

 
Old 09-28-2022, 09:50 PM
 
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It's not just democrats now. This is the first time we're seeing republicans supporting investigations around him. Republicans were largely silent in the past because because he was tied to the party even though his views were not conservative.

Which "republicans" are these? His views are more conservative than both Bushes, remember them? "Read my lips, No new taxes, putting rinos in the Supreme Court, nation building and endless wars and expanding the FBI and the federal government. I'm sure you were disappointed with both Bushes since you are from Texas. Texas gave us LBJ, HW Bush and W Bush. Talk about war mongers. Far from conservatism.


You know, it's funny, the people that should have got investigated and impeached for REAL CRIMES were LBJ, HW Bush and W Bush. Just on the illegal wars alone. I'm sure you disagree and Trump is the biggest threat in history.
 
Old 09-28-2022, 10:10 PM
 
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Which "republicans" are these? His views are more conservative than both Bushes, remember them? "Read my lips, No new taxes, putting rinos in the Supreme Court, nation building and endless wars and expanding the FBI and the federal government. I'm sure you were disappointed with both Bushes since you are from Texas. Texas gave us LBJ, HW Bush and W Bush. Talk about war mongers. Far from conservatism.


You know, it's funny, the people that should have got investigated and impeached for REAL CRIMES were LBJ, HW Bush and W Bush. Just on the illegal wars alone. I'm sure you disagree and Trump is the biggest threat in history.
Trump really isn't a conservative though. His political views have always been all over the place....the republican party, the reform party, the democratic party.
 
Old 09-28-2022, 10:22 PM
 
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Trump really isn't a conservative though. His political views have always been all over the place....the republican party, the reform party, the democratic party.

Here comes the different standard for Trump. You can say that about every President in office. Obama wasn't liberal though. Obama ran in 2008 to end the endless wars and he extended the wars to 7 and extended Bush tax cuts. Clinton went from left to right after 1994 with Welfare reform and the 3 strike law and massive incarceration. W Bush wasn't conservative. His father wasn't conservative. Reagan raised the debt and signed amnesty and he and Republicans after him were for nation building.


What do you call when you say one thing and do the opposite in office? Like I said, Trump is more conservative than both Bushes. That says a lot about the state of the GOP before Trump.
 
Old 09-28-2022, 10:41 PM
 
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Here comes the different standard for Trump. You can say that about every President in office. Obama wasn't liberal though. Obama ran in 2008 to end the endless wars and he extended the wars to 7 and extended Bush tax cuts. Clinton went from left to right after 1994 with Welfare reform and the 3 strike law and massive incarceration. W Bush wasn't conservative. His father wasn't conservative. Reagan raised the debt and signed amnesty and he and Republicans after him were for nation building.


What do you call when you say one thing and do the opposite in office? Like I said, Trump is more conservative than both Bushes. That says a lot about the state of the GOP before Trump.
The GOP was just fine before Trump decided it was his own party. He called everyone a rino who didn't agree with him including members of our military. Voting Trump out says a lot about our country. Loyalty to country comes first, not loyalty to any one man.
 
Old 09-28-2022, 11:18 PM
 
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The GOP was just fine before Trump decided it was his own party. He called everyone a rino who didn't agree with him including members of our military. Voting Trump out says a lot about our country. Loyalty to country comes first, not loyalty to any one man.

You are a Democrat. How can you say the GOP was fine before Trump? How were you from 2000 to 2008?
Calling somebody a RINO is being nice to the words Democrats say about Republicans, including the top brass of the military during the Bush years and Vietnam. You act like you were born yesterday or arrived from a boat.
 
Old 09-28-2022, 11:22 PM
 
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Here comes the different standard for Trump. You can say that about every President in office. Obama wasn't liberal though. Obama ran in 2008 to end the endless wars and he extended the wars to 7 and extended Bush tax cuts. Clinton went from left to right after 1994 with Welfare reform and the 3 strike law and massive incarceration. W Bush wasn't conservative. His father wasn't conservative. Reagan raised the debt and signed amnesty and he and Republicans after him were for nation building.


What do you call when you say one thing and do the opposite in office? Like I said, Trump is more conservative than both Bushes. That says a lot about the state of the GOP before Trump.
I'm a bit confused on why you're using deflection when in denial. Saying that Trump is conservative doesn't just make him conservative.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 01:01 AM
 
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I'm a bit confused on why you're using deflection when in denial. Saying that Trump is conservative doesn't just make him conservative.
You are confused because you can't define the bar of a conservative President to measure Trump. Who? Nixon? Ford? Reagan? HW Bush, W Bush, McCain, Romney? Do you measure that with what comes out of their mouths or policies?

Pick your bar and then we can have an honest discussion and measure in detail policies to back your claim.


In Taxes, Regulations, 2nd amendment, Global Warming, foreign policy, religious freedom and judges, Trump has ruled as a conservative. He hasn't been a 100% conservative because he had to deal with a very partisan Democrat Congress and compromise like all the previous Republicans presidents have done. It's call governing in 2 party system and divided government.

Make up your mind. Democrats say he is extremist right. You are saying he isn't right. Which is it? The only one in denial is you since you don't want to admit the real reason is you don't like the man.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 02:38 AM
 
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Why in the world would you want someone like him who raises spending and debt and keeps us in un Constitutional, never ending wars? That is what is important. That is where the emphasis should always be. That is also what's wrong with the both parties, but yea team.
How much Republican concern about debt was there when Bush 2 and Trump cut taxes? To be taken seriously, you`ll need to be consistent.
 
Old 09-29-2022, 04:21 AM
 
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Allegiance to Trump over Allegiance to America is the ruination of democracy in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynrddiKPvtI

https://lincolnproject.us/how-a-democracy-falls/

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