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In Arizona conservatives registered as independent voters more likely to vote for a libertarian if they don't like Masters, or Lake. I agree with most of the libertarian party problem is lobbyist who run this country never let it happen.
The debate probably helped both Masters and Kelly both shored up support. Their base will vote. However, Rep. have a considerable advantage in voter registration.
Victors message likely resonated with independents across the political spectrum. They now have someone to support outside of Kelly or Masters.
The debate probably helped both Masters and Kelly both shored up support. Their base will vote. However, Rep. have a considerable advantage in voter registration.
Victors message likely resonated with independents across the political spectrum. They now have someone to support outside of Kelly or Masters.
Why do you think Republicans have a "Considerable advantage" with voter registration?
Are Americans getting tired of the "choice" between dictatorial Democrats and control-freakish Republicans? Many of us would like to think so, and evidence from the crucial Arizona U.S. Senate race suggests that at least some voters are looking for an option that doesn't represent a competing brand of authoritarianism. In that contest, Libertarian Party nominee Marc Victor is polling at 15 percent and may get a further boost from his appearance in a well-timed televised debate.
"We have the best message," Victor told me. "There's absolutely no question in my mind that if you are interested in freedom, in peace, in raising standards of living, we have the right message. So, I sit and scratch my head and say I've been a libertarian 30 years, why are we still in the minority?"
I'm a Libertarian, but I'm having difficulty believing Victor is polling at 15%. You referenced a Libertarian website, so there is certain to be some bias. Victor did well in the debate, and I'm definitely voting for him, but let's see how well he actually does in the general election. Most third party candidates are lucky to get 5% of the vote (unfortunately).
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Originally Posted by jamies
If you are in Arizona Marc is the only non-extremist on the ballot.
On one hand you have Kelly, aka Mr. Gabby Gifford, an anti-gun zealot and illegal alien protectionist, with big money. On the other is Master's a right wing maga extremist, homophobe and woman hater. Only surpassed by Fincham as one of the stupidist men in AZ politics. Almost as ignorantly dumb as Kari Lake, who has absolutely zero knowledge of how government works.
Vote Libertarian, the "new" and only remaining party of moderation, or as Marc says, "live and let live."
We CAN take our country back without the extremist parties if people, especially non-aligned independents would just vote Libertarian.
I think I'd be OK with Kari Lake as Governor, but I'm still not voting for her for different reasons. Finchem would be a complete embarrassment, and there is no Libertarian candidate that I know of in the race for Secretary of State, so I'll likely vote for Fontes.
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Originally Posted by pulaskicountyindiana
Libertarians need to vote Republican for once..
Once Republicans start behaving more like Libertarians (along the lines of Barry Goldwater & Milton Friedman), maybe that will happen.
Nevertheless 3.35% (or just under 150k) will certainly help in a close race. AZ is a purple state and I suspect all future elections will be close.
Kelly won by 79k in 2020.
You admit 3.35% is not a considerable advantage like you stated before it's a small advantage. The fact that independent voters makeup 33.72% it's really nothing at all because it only takes 3.4% of those voters to sway it one way or the other.
Getting back to the subject it's far more likely that conservative independent voters will go for the liberation party where liberal minded voters less likely to go that route.
I'm a Libertarian, but I'm having difficulty believing Victor is polling at 15%. You referenced a Libertarian website, so there is certain to be some bias. Victor did well in the debate, and I'm definitely voting for him, but let's see how well he actually does in the general election. Most third party candidates are lucky to get 5% of the vote (unfortunately).
I think I'd be OK with Kari Lake as Governor, but I'm still not voting for her for different reasons. Finchem would be a complete embarrassment, and there is no Libertarian candidate that I know of in the race for Secretary of State, so I'll likely vote for Fontes.
Once Republicans start behaving more like Libertarians (along the lines of Barry Goldwater & Milton Friedman), maybe that will happen.
Finchem is an embarrassment if he does win somehow he will attempt to do everything he can to cause problems for our elections here. The worst scenario is Crazy Lake and Finchem they could refuse to sign the certificates for electors in 2024.
Finchem is an embarrassment if he does win somehow he will attempt to do everything he can to cause problems for our elections here. The worst scenario is Crazy Lake and Finchem they could refuse to sign the certificates for electors in 2024.
If there are irregularities and people that didn't get a ballot, I hope so until all LEGAL votes are counted.
Crazy Lake? is that what will make Hobbs be governor? The one that runs away from black journalists and loses twice in court for racism LMAO!
You admit 3.35% is not a considerable advantage like you stated before it's a small advantage. The fact that independent voters makeup 33.72% it's really nothing at all because it only takes 3.4% of those voters to sway it one way or the other.
Getting back to the subject it's far more likely that conservative independent voters will go for the liberation party where liberal minded voters less likely to go that route.
O.k. "considerable" isn't correct but 3.4% is a nice advantage in a close race which is what Nov. will be. Rep have just under a 150k advantage in voter registration and Kelly won last time by 79k.
Getting back to the subject it's far more likely that conservative independent voters will go for the liberation party where liberal minded voters less likely to go that route.
Not really. Who knew Victor was going to be on the stage? So here we all are (Dems, Reps and Independents) listening to a Libertarian make some solid points. The base support for Masters and Kelly aren't changing their vote. But independents? Those not keen on either Kelly or Masters now have an option.
They don't have to "hold their nose" so to speak and vote Dem or Rep.
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is that what will make Hobbs be governor? The one that runs away from black journalists and loses twice in court for racism LMAO!
