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Old 10-26-2022, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I'm okay with this. Anyone who tells me that the 2 party system is all we have, I disagree.
While the 2-party system isn't all we have in theory, it is all we have in fact.

The Constitution is written with so much bi-cameralism built into everything that it's next to impossible to have a 3rd party that's as large as the other two.

Constitutional scholars have debated why this is so for ages. I think the Founding Fathers wanted a democracy that was simpler and unconnected to the British Parliamentary democracy all of them had lived under all their lives. No royalty here made our democracy different from the British version.
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Old 10-29-2022, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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This isn't good news as that's not enough support to actually win. All a strong third party candidate does is weaken one of the other major party candidates, thereby ensuring a higher chance of victory for the other. We've been down this road before. Honestly, absent moving to a parliamentary system, I don't see third parties as inherently a good thing (not in the way that the OP makes it seem anyway).
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Old 10-29-2022, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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This isn't good news as that's not enough support to actually win. All a strong third party candidate does is weaken one of the other major party candidates, thereby ensuring a higher chance of victory for the other. We've been down this road before. Honestly, absent moving to a parliamentary system, I don't see third parties as inherently a good thing (not in the way that the OP makes it seem anyway).
They will pull from former republican voters the polices match up better. Lot less likely for a social democrat who believes in big government to vote Libertarian.
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Old 11-01-2022, 07:52 AM
 
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Libertarian Candidate Drops Out of Arizona Senate Race and Endorses Masters - New York Times

I never believed the 15% poll, Mr Victor only ever had a little over $134,000 in funding and a hunk of that came from the Left Wing. Mr Blake has had long term ties to the Libertarians in Arizona and there appeared to be some conflicts among Libertarians when it became obvious that Leftists were pushing the Victor Campaign. The Leftists have been doing that all over the Country - donating money to Republican Campaigns, in hopes of getting a weak Candidate. Perhaps they had no viable alternative- the Democrats have an abysmal record, so they can run on their own record OR their Fearless Uniter in Chief.


Mr. Victor had previously been funded at least in part by Democrats, presumably hoping to redirect some votes away from the Republican nominee.

Donations included $5,000 from the Save Democracy PAC, which says on its website that it is pursuing “a nationwide effort to confront and defeat Republican extremism” and another $5,000 from Defeat Republicans PAC. In May, Ron Conway, the California-based Democratic investor, gave Mr. Victor part of more than $45,000 in donations from various people who share the Conway last name in California; those funds account for about one-third of everything Mr. Victor raised in total.
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