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Old 05-27-2008, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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I support Hillary Clinton

My intentions was to respond to the thread, asking my point is almost out of the question.

Woot Hillary
Thank God i am not from Michigan. And if i was from Michigan, i wouldn't wanna be 100% Michigan
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:16 PM
 
Location: East Dallas
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I will be glad when this is settled and we can get ready for November. If you like what GW Bush has been doing vote for McCain.
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Old 05-27-2008, 08:30 PM
 
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Default Obama's so called lead

The problem the Democratic party faces is that Obama's so called victories in primaries and caucus states are for the most part meaningless, other than to let him take a nomination he probably doesn't deserve. Most of his victories have come in states no Democrat can hope to win, for example, several Southern states where the black vote put Obama over the top, and in places like Wyoming where Democrats are scarcer than intelligent Obama supporters. Then you look at the caucus states where the poor and disadvantaged--Clinton's strength--were effectively disenfranchised. Our own caucus in Colorado was dominated by the politically naivie and the liberal chic--as opposed to real liberals--who showed up for their first (and probably last) caucus. They're the sunshine soldiers and the summer patriots of this election year, much like that mythical youth vote that will put Obama over the top--anyone who has ever followed politics knows that the youth vote never materializes but everyone sees a bunch of college students jumping up and down and figures it is there. So, in the end, we're stuck with a candidate who has much less real support than his supporters think, who desperately needed to put eight years in as vice president not only to gain at least some experience--he has practically none--but also to get more people used to the idea of a black as a future president. This election is about gender and race to the degree that we need to elect a woman and we need to elect a black. It's also about the only real chance we have of pushing through national health. With Clinton we've got a fighting chance, with Obama we've got none. He's against mandates. Imagine how well social security would have worked had FDr taken that kind of weak-assed position. But of course Obama has to stay away from health care. His supporters are mostly well-to-do people who have insurance. Many blacks don't have insurnace but they'll support him--and they should--on racial grounds. Many Hispanics also don't have insurance and he knows he can't get their votes, just as he probably can't get the votes of the lower income whites without health insurance. Like just about everything he's done in this election, he's taken this position on health care for political reasons, not for reasons of principle. But we're told he's inspriational. Just remember that some guys with a smooth line can get you out of your panties but will he be there for breakfast?
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Old 05-27-2008, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Just remember that some guys with a smooth line can get you out of your panties but will he be there for breakfast?
Great first post Story! Welcome.
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Old 05-27-2008, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Just remember that some guys with a smooth line can get you out of your panties but will he be there for breakfast?

Not if you can't cook, nice post. Flawed, but at least it presented a few new arguments.
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:04 PM
 
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Great first post, Story. Some good ideas, some flaws.

One huge thing going for Obama is he is not tied to Bush, Iraq, the economy, etc. like Bush's buddy McCain. There is a whole heap of problems that McCain is tied to. It is a measure of just how pathetic Bush has been the the opposition has seriously run both a woman and a black for President for the first time. I don't think McCain can dig himself out from under the Bushcrap . . .
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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The problem the Democratic party faces is that Obama's so called victories in primaries and caucus states are for the most part meaningless, other than to let him take a nomination he probably doesn't deserve. Most of his victories have come in states no Democrat can hope to win, for example, several Southern states where the black vote put Obama over the top, and in places like Wyoming where Democrats are scarcer than intelligent Obama supporters. Then you look at the caucus states where the poor and disadvantaged--Clinton's strength--were effectively disenfranchised. Our own caucus in Colorado was dominated by the politically naivie and the liberal chic--as opposed to real liberals--who showed up for their first (and probably last) caucus. They're the sunshine soldiers and the summer patriots of this election year, much like that mythical youth vote that will put Obama over the top--anyone who has ever followed politics knows that the youth vote never materializes but everyone sees a bunch of college students jumping up and down and figures it is there. So, in the end, we're stuck with a candidate who has much less real support than his supporters think, who desperately needed to put eight years in as vice president not only to gain at least some experience--he has practically none--but also to get more people used to the idea of a black as a future president. This election is about gender and race to the degree that we need to elect a woman and we need to elect a black. It's also about the only real chance we have of pushing through national health. With Clinton we've got a fighting chance, with Obama we've got none. He's against mandates. Imagine how well social security would have worked had FDr taken that kind of weak-assed position. But of course Obama has to stay away from health care. His supporters are mostly well-to-do people who have insurance. Many blacks don't have insurnace but they'll support him--and they should--on racial grounds. Many Hispanics also don't have insurance and he knows he can't get their votes, just as he probably can't get the votes of the lower income whites without health insurance. Like just about everything he's done in this election, he's taken this position on health care for political reasons, not for reasons of principle. But we're told he's inspriational. Just remember that some guys with a smooth line can get you out of your panties but will he be there for breakfast?
The usual Obama hating lines, caucus states don't count, Obama's only supporters are black, he doesn't have enough experience, doesn't deserve the nomination., he won't get the white vote etc. and on and on and on.

The real facts are, Obama won not only more caucus states but more primary states. He just won Ore. which has a black population of 1.9%. To say he doesn't deserve the nomination is ludicrous, according to DemCon Watch he currently leads in delegates 1977-1779, sound like he deserves it to me.
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:06 PM
 
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I dont know about South Dakota, it's a pretty conservative state.

Polls show Obama with a double digit lead. I have checked other websites and it's exactly the same figures. Here is one poll from usaelectionpolls.com
South Dakota Primary 2008 Polls 2008 Primary Presidential Election Polls
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:09 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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Hillary so pathetic
Why do you say things like this? Why shouldn't she stay in the primary race until the end?
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Why do you say things like this? Why shouldn't she stay in the primary race until the end?

She should.
Why do you believe she should?
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