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Old 06-02-2008, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I guess you are having a difficult time differentiating between a Poll and this;
And the difference between this as an acceptable method vs. phone polling would be what? Since you inferred there is a bias, how so? What makes this poll less reliable than the rest?
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Old 06-02-2008, 11:59 AM
 
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Even with all of that, Obama is still, like I said, WINNING WHERE IT COUNTS, i.e., in swing states. Virginia might even go Democrat this year, not to mention Ohio, New Mexico, and Iowa.

How the hell is it that, with the Dems beating each other up and McCain having two months to run unopposed, that McCain still is not winning by a sizeable margin? Like I said, if he isn't winning now, how the how can he win after the convention and Obama has a running mate and the party has a chance to re-unite?
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Old 06-02-2008, 12:01 PM
 
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Why can't liberals take their neo-cons back? Conservatives don't have a single candidate running for Presidency. I have a suggestion. The two parties could merge into the "People's Democratic Party of America".
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Old 06-02-2008, 12:02 PM
 
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From Rasmussen Markets - not a poll. Just speculators, kinda like the options markets, if you will.

But, like I said, if you look at the state to state POLLS, Obama is winning. All he needs is two of the swing states (which do not count Virginia, that mcCain is now winning by only three points, has a huge black population, and is going to vote for Democratic senateorial candidate Mark Warner by a huge margin)

If McCain can't win against a divided democratic party now...how can he win against a united democratic party in November?
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Old 06-02-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Even with all of that, Obama is still, like I said, WINNING WHERE IT COUNTS, i.e., in swing states. Virginia might even go Democrat this year, not to mention Ohio, New Mexico, and Iowa.

How the hell is it that, with the Dems beating each other up and McCain having two months to run unopposed, that McCain still is not winning by a sizeable margin? Like I said, if he isn't winning now, how the how can he win after the convention and Obama has a running mate and the party has a chance to re-unite?
That's exactly right.

It's a sign of McCain's weakness that he's not trouncing Obama - even during Obama's most vulnerable hour.

Ken
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:05 PM
 
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But the fact is they were much higher but have dropped steadly. Gore and kerry had a much higher chnce at thsi point and were in fact has mcuh as 30 points ahead.He is assuming that Obama can unit the party which he has failed to do and in fact has liitle suppoot from the core ;the working clas whte voter. He has more problems than Mccain has with the conservative core he started out with.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:06 PM
 
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Obama will not only lose because of the white vote but thier are also asians and latinos whom the marjority do not care about any of the hype surrounding obama. The only votes obama is guaranteed are the weak minded blacks who need a leader.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:14 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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But the fact is they were much higher but have dropped steadly. Gore and kerry had a much higher chnce at thsi point and were in fact has mcuh as 30 points ahead.
Think so?

June 26th 2000 - Bush 50% Gore 38%
Poll: Bush holds steady lead over Gore - June 26, 2000

In June 2004 Bush and Kerry were more or less tied.

And they weren't still nearly neck and neck with another Democrat at the time.

Oh, and just to put that in perspective:

RealClearPolitics - RealClearPolitics Poll Averages

Obama and McCain currently neck and neck.

Ken

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Old 06-02-2008, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Why can't liberals take their neo-cons back? Conservatives don't have a single candidate running for Presidency. I have a suggestion. The two parties could merge into the "People's Democratic Party of America".
Amen. The neocons have destroyed the GOP. Maybe they'll tackle the DNC next. Getting Hillary elected would be a great start.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:29 PM
 
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Obama will not only lose because of the white vote but thier are also asians and latinos whom the marjority do not care about any of the hype surrounding obama. The only votes obama is guaranteed are the weak minded blacks who need a leader.

Yat another nay-sayer who is in denial. I ask this: If Obama can't win white voters, than how did he win Utah, Idaho, Vermont, Maine, Oregon, and Alaska? He also won the MAJORITY of the latino vote in Virginia, and MAJORITY of the Asian vote in Hawaii.

Like I said...blame in on "the vast left-wing conspiracy" bussing blacks into Utah and Oregon.
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