Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
7,730 posts, read 14,184,529 times
Reputation: 1520

Advertisements

Obama's for Equal Pay, Yet Pays Female Staffers Less Than Males -- 06/30/2008 (broken link)

Quote:
On average, women working in Obama's Senate office were paid at least $6,000 below the average man working for the Illinois senator. That's according to data calculated from the Report of the Secretary of the Senate, which covered the six-month period ending Sept. 30, 2007. Of the five people in Obama's Senate office who were paid $100,000 or more on an annual basis, only one -- Obama's administrative manager -- was a woman.

The average pay for the 33 men on Obama's staff (who earned more than $23,000, the lowest annual salary paid for non-intern employees) was $59,207. The average pay for the 31 women on Obama's staff who earned more than $23,000 per year was $48,729.91. (The average pay for all 36 male employees on Obama's staff was $55,962; and the average pay for all 31 female employees was $48,729. The report indicated that Obama had only one paid intern during the period, who was a male.)
Change we can believe in. Wasn't he just stumping last week about equal pay for women?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:42 AM
 
3,758 posts, read 8,451,559 times
Reputation: 873
Shame, shame, shame.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:43 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
10,655 posts, read 18,689,497 times
Reputation: 2829
They don't give details on the types of jobs the men and women are doing.

Are they all doing the exact same job and there is a pay discrepancy? That would be the only way to determine gender discrimination.

Are the education and experience levels of each staffer the same?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
7,730 posts, read 14,184,529 times
Reputation: 1520
Quote:
Originally Posted by newtoli View Post
They don't give details on the types of jobs the men and women are doing.

Are they all doing the exact same job and there is a pay discrepancy? That would be the only way to determine gender discrimination.

Are the education and experience levels of each staffer the same?
Oh, now you want details? Obama's never been big on the specifics, but here, you want them? Come on. Just admit he's not perfect and the change he claims to represent should start in his own office at least.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:49 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
10,655 posts, read 18,689,497 times
Reputation: 2829
Quote:
Originally Posted by paperhouse View Post
Oh, now you want details? Obama's never been big on the specifics, but here, you want them? Come on. Just admit he's not perfect and the change he claims to represent should start in his own office at least.
Of course you need the details to be able to accurately claim there is pay discrimination, since they are using averages. You can only determine that, if the staffers are all working the exact same job, and a woman is being paid less than a man for that same job.

If you have 20 women working as secretaries, and then 20 men working as analysts, the men are going to have a higher average pay rate. Which is why you would need to know who is working what jobs to determine is there is actually pay inequality happening.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:51 AM
 
21,026 posts, read 22,186,742 times
Reputation: 5941
Hilarious! NOW the republicans care about equal pay !?!?!?

They never seemed to care before saying discrimination either didn't exist , or women weren't worth it , or didn't work much or , or, or.....NOW they're all upset by PERCEIVED discrimination....??
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:53 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
10,655 posts, read 18,689,497 times
Reputation: 2829
equal pay for equal jobs.

Unless you compare the same job, male vs. female, you cannot determine if there is gender discrimination coming into play, as referenced in the article linked, discussing a woman who was a supervisor and paid $6,500 less then the lowest ranking male supervisor.

You cannot compare apples to oranges to get the result you want to see.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Papillion
2,589 posts, read 10,569,736 times
Reputation: 917
McCain employs more women and their average is higher than males. Let actions speak.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-30-2008, 10:57 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
10,655 posts, read 18,689,497 times
Reputation: 2829
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave1215 View Post
McCain employs more women and their average is higher than males. Let actions speak.
You cannot twist statistics to prove a point.

The point is moot, unless every single male and female is working the exact same job, and the females are being paid less.

You cannot compare the salary of a file clerk, to the salary of a manager.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-30-2008, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
1,774 posts, read 2,813,293 times
Reputation: 213
Wow....we've now come to dig up stuff like this? Interesting, what's next here? Most of Obama's female staff members are not single mothers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:05 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top