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Until people here grasp the geo-politics of the region, the communal civil war, the fallacies of PNAC, the war profiteering, instability to the country, region, and your local gas station... until you grasp that Afghanistan is worse than it was in 2001 and that invading Iraq created another Shia state, turning an enemy of Iran into a friend.... please stop saying that "we are winning the war"
Nothing has been right about this process from the beginning. It would be great if there were simple solutions to the mess created by Bush and supported by McCain and like-minded children, but reality is a lot more complicated and the actions of these and others in the GOP have created such a disaster that we will spend years cleaning it up and also years regaining what we lost in Afghanistan.
The have made great political progress/reconciliation.
Have you not noticed what is happening in Sadr City? Do you see fighting and battles going on their now?
Have you not noticed that the Sunni's have rejoined the political process?
Have you not noticed that there is oil sharing revenues going to the provinces?
Have you not noticed some of the world's major oil companies coming back into Iraq to help them get their infrastructure up to modern standards so they can pump more of that liquid gold? Do you think they would do that if security was not better?
Have you not noticed the dramatic decrease in violence, both against our troops and against the Iraqi civilians?
Have you not noticed the elections that have taken place?
Have you not noticed all the new businesses and entrepeuneurs cropping up?
have you not noticed how the Iraqi army is taking the lead in driving AQ out of their very last stronghold.
I could go on and on.
I know you wish it were true - that the war is lost, that the US had been defeated, that AQ would have taken over the country - but the facts on the ground don't back up your statements.
The dems/libs sided with the wrong side in this fight. They sided with AQ/The insurgency and the defeat of the US - for political gain.
Wars such as the one in Iraq takes time, effort, and lots of money. Three things that we never had on our side to begin with. Personally, I believe the invasion of Iraq was a bad idea, we didn't even give ourselves the chance to maintain what we gained in Afghanistan. In reality, our victory is Afghanistan was just to prove our "can do" attitude, in a sense "buttering us up" for an Iraq invasion. We got ahead of ourselves, simple as that.
The invasion process is no big deal (we took over in like what...less than 2 weeks? You couldn't take a single American city in 2 weeks). The resource drain is prolonged occupation. Maybe it is time to turn over authority to the Iraqi government.
The have made great political progress/reconciliation.
Have you not noticed what is happening in Sadr City? Do you see fighting and battles going on their now?
Have you not noticed that the Sunni's have rejoined the political process?
Have you not noticed that there is oil sharing revenues going to the provinces?
Have you not noticed some of the world's major oil companies coming back into Iraq to help them get their infrastructure up to modern standards so they can pump more of that liquid gold? Do you think they would do that if security was not better?
Have you not noticed the dramatic decrease in violence, both against our troops and against the Iraqi civilians?
Have you not noticed the elections that have taken place?
Have you not noticed all the new businesses and entrepeuneurs cropping up?
have you not noticed how the Iraqi army is taking the lead in driving AQ out of their very last stronghold.
I could go on and on.
I know you wish it were true - that the war is lost, that the US had been defeated, that AQ would have taken over the country - but the facts on the ground don't back up your statements.
The dems/libs sided with the wrong side in this fight. They sided with AQ/The insurgency and the defeat of the US - for political gain.
The looney liberals WILL NEVER admit they were wrong, they dont have the guts, that is just the way they are.
See now they are asking what do you consider a win, these people are phony just like their boy wonder Nobama who said " This war is lost" and a week later voted to fund the war! What a scam artist and liar he is.
Now what is this loser doing, he is running to the winning side so he doesnt look lie a liberal traitor like the rest of the morons are.
Until people here grasp the geo-politics of the region, the communal civil war, the fallacies of PNAC, the war profiteering, instability to the country, region, and your local gas station... until you grasp that Afghanistan is worse than it was in 2001 and that invading Iraq created another Shia state, turning an enemy of Iran into a friend.... please stop saying that "we are winning the war"
Nothing has been right about this process from the beginning. It would be great if there were simple solutions to the mess created by Bush and supported by McCain and like-minded children, but reality is a lot more complicated and the actions of these and others in the GOP have created such a disaster that we will spend years cleaning it up and also years regaining what we lost in Afghanistan.
You are absolutely right. Some estimates put the number of Iraqis killed at 1 million, and even if it is hald that, it is deplorable. Another 2 million have been displaced from their homes. Bhagdad and other cities have been bombed out, and clean water and electricity are still scarce. Miles of huge concrete walls have been erected to divide Sunni and Shia neighborhoods.
The Shia Islamic fundamentalists are in majority control of Iraq now, whereas under Sadaam there was secular rule. There were no Al Qaeda in Sadaam's Iraq, so for Conservatives to say that it is a great victory that Al Qaeda has been weakened in Iraq, is laughable.
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