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Old 07-22-2008, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Good to see Bush finally moving towards the sensible foreign policy choices advocated by Obama.

Over the weekend the Obama campaign pointed to the Bush administration's talk about a "general time horizon" to withdraw U.S. troops in Iraq and its dispatching of a high-level State Department official to Geneva to meet with Iranian diplomats last weekend about that country's nuclear program.

The Bush administration is moving "toward the Obama position," said John Bolton, Bush's former United Nations ambassador. For McCain, Bolton said, "the only benefit is that it gives him another opportunity to differentiate himself from Bush."



McCain: Policy on Iraq hasn't changed - USATODAY.com
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:53 PM
 
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Wow, great research - that important quote is buried in the article!

It's hard to tell if he's being pro-McCain or anti-Bush. He's been plenty anti-Obama, so I'd guess pro-McCain.
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Old 07-22-2008, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Amazing how people will only see what they want to see.

Obama's position, as was the position of most democrats, was that there should have been timetables set years ago. Bush, rightfully and responsibly, would not set timetables for withdrawal at a time when things were still extremely unstable. Now that things are settling down and a great deal of progress has been made, Bush is willing to discuss a drawdown of American troops as he was saying he would do all along, yet only when the situation and circumstances on the ground warranted it. To have done this two or three years ago when Iraq was on the brink of civil war would have been the height of foolishness, yet this is exactly what Obama and the majority of democrats advocated. Now that things are vastly improved precisely because Bush did not listen to democrat demands for a timetable 3 years ago, Obama now has the nerve to actually say that he was right all along?! Of course, his disciples and sycophants in the media will go right along with it without looking even an inch below the surface.
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Amazing how people will only see what they want to see.

Obama's position, as was the position of most democrats, was that there should have been timetables set years ago. Bush, rightfully and responsibly, would not set timetables for withdrawal at a time when things were still extremely unstable. Now that things are settling down and a great deal of progress has been made, Bush is willing to discuss a drawdown of American troops as he was saying he would do all along, yet only when the situation and circumstances on the ground warranted it. To have done this two or three years ago when Iraq was on the brink of civil war would have been the height of foolishness, yet this is exactly what Obama and the majority of democrats advocated. Now that things are vastly improved precisely because Bush did not listen to democrat demands for a timetable 3 years ago, Obama now has the nerve to actually say that he was right all along?! Of course, his disciples and sycophants in the media will go right along with it without looking even an inch below the surface.
Just quoting John Bolton.
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Old 07-22-2008, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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I understand that, but his opinion is conceptually incorrect.

It is impossible for Bush to now move towards a position that called for a timetable for withdrawl being set 3 years ago....because he didn't have that position 3 years ago due to the situation on the ground. You cannot move towards a position like that a couple of years in the future.

Bush has always maintained that he would consider and talk about troop reductions in Iraq when, and only when, the situation on the ground allowed for it. The situation did not allow for it back then. It does now. Bolton's entire premise is WRONG.
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Old 07-22-2008, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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How absurd.

You can go research ALL of "W" statements as well as McCain's to see that a withdrawal of troops was desired based on conditions on the ground. I don't know how many times he said withdraw on success.

That is not and has never been obama's plan. He called for pullout when conditions on the ground were at their worst.

He can't run from his terrible judgement in the matter, no matter how much his campaign spins it.

You must realize that his plan would have cost many more US and Iraqi lives, which obviously he didn't care about.
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Old 07-22-2008, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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How absurd.

You can go research ALL of "W" statements as well as McCain's to see that a withdrawal of troops was desired based on conditions on the ground. I don't know how many times he said withdraw on success.

That is not and has never been obama's plan. He called for pullout when conditions on the ground were at their worst.

He can't run from his terrible judgement in the matter, no matter how much his campaign spins it.

You must realize that his plan would have cost many more US and Iraqi lives, which obviously he didn't care about.
Yep. You're right of course.
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Obama's "position" is only possible because of the judgement of the admin/McCain and the hard work of our troops.

Do you honestly believe he will be able to get away with taking credit for the surge and the results it brought?

We've got way too many of his past statements that the electorate knows about and will hear about again. He will look worse than Kerry ever did. Just picture the ads. I'm sure McCain will remind everyone what would have happened if obama's plan had been implemented.

Haven't you noticed the dem/lib leadership has been trying to get him to talk about the "economy"?
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Old 07-22-2008, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Obama has always said that Iraq is just a sideshow in the "War on Terror".

I am glad he is getting the opportunity to directly discuss transition plans now with his future Generals.
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Old 07-22-2008, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Obama's "position" is only possible because of the judgement of the admin/McCain and the hard work of our troops.

Do you honestly believe he will be able to get away with taking credit for the surge and the results it brought?

We've got way too many of his past statements that the electorate knows about and will hear about again. He will look worse than Kerry ever did. Just picture the ads. I'm sure McCain will remind everyone what would have happened if obama's plan had been implemented.

Haven't you noticed the dem/lib leadership has been trying to get him to talk about the "economy"?
Lol...He's taking credit for the surge? Now that's news! Have you notified the press? This could help your candidate immensely!

Senator Obama should talk about the economy. I know you've seen it in your zest to post the latest polls - the Economy is by far Issue #1.

Consider this - if Senator McCain's strategy is to show the citizens what "would have happened" he takes time away from discussing "what can and should be happening". How does that make him look relevant to the issue of Today?
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