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Old 05-19-2008, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Take this to the Knesset dubya!




Are the Jews good for Barack Obama? | Salon News
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Old 05-20-2008, 02:14 AM
 
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Excellent article by Uri Avnery.

The World Wants Obama Coalition: Israel
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Old 05-20-2008, 05:52 AM
 
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But Obama is a Hamas-loving, terrorist-appeasing, unrepentant Muslim schvartze honky-hater. How can the Jews not see this?

Oh - they like him because he's a socialist. Never mind.

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Old 05-20-2008, 07:36 AM
 
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Not to be dismissive of our Jewish posters, but the Jews are pretty irrelevant as a voting block.

When you analyze the population and voting trends you end up with an expectation of about 125-130 million total voters in the general election this coming November. Of these voters, it has been estimated that only about 3 million are Jewish. When looking at "overrepresentation", or where they have higher concentrations of voters, you are primarily looking at New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Florida.

Looking at the presidential voting results of the past five election cycles, the Jewish vote has been slightly moving towards the Republicans, but this is still a minority of their vote. Even a shift from a historical total of 80% Democrat to 60% Democrat, as indicated in the above chart for Obama, is really pretty irrelevant. The only state where this shift could potentially help swing the vote towards the Republicans is Pennsylvania, but the Jewish vote is only about 4% of the total for Pa, and this could be lessened if the historically dormant black vote in Pa gets more active this cycle.

The Catholic vote is much more important, especially in states like Pa. The question that is far more important is can enough faithful Catholics cast a vote for Obama without believing they are betraying their church.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:23 AM
 
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Hmmm, that's an interesting question about the Catholic vote. I would guess more traditional Catholic Democrats would switch to McCain if Hillary is no longer around, but those for whom social justice issues are the deciding factor would vote for Obama.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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Take this to the Knesset dubya!




Are the Jews good for Barack Obama? | Salon News
Sounds like it was conducted in Hollywood.

On September 20, 2006, the Council on Foreign Relations hosted a small meeting of select council members with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. While giving his speech, President Ahmadinejad expressed doubt that the holocaust had occurred. Maurice "Hank" Greenberg responded: "Listen, I went through Dachau during the war. To suggest it didn't occur is simply a lie." To which President Ahmadinejad then asked if Greenberg was old enough to have participated in the liberation of Dachau.

Possibly the only person to stand up to Ahmadinejad face to face who is endorsing McCain. That is the only Jewish endorsement I need.
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Old 05-20-2008, 09:48 AM
 
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The Catholic vote is much more important, especially in states like Pa. The question that is far more important is can enough faithful Catholics cast a vote for Obama without believing they are betraying their church.
I am a former Catholic though my family still is. I attend mass with them out of respect for their beliefs. I am therefore in a position to know what Catholics think about Obama.

Firstly, the Catholic church opposed the war in Iraq, so it is actually in agreement with Obama on this issue.

Secondly, the Catholic church has a strong social advocacy arm that promotes the interests of the downtrodden. Case in point: the US Catholic church has been a strong defender of the human rights of undocumented immigrants. Again, this is congruent with Obama's position.

Thirdly, the Catholic church takes a global perspective on issues since its flock are the citizens of all countries. It is cognizant of the concerns of its members from all over the world. It has its eyes and ears on the ground in Africa, Asia, Latin America, and Europe. The church is therefore in a unique vantage point to hear what other people are saying about the United States.

When non-Americans criticize the US for being a bully, the church hears all of these compliants and in many cases is an eyewitness to the effects of US bullying. Example: the Philippines under American-supported dictator Ferdinand Marcos, where many of clergy of the Catholic church actively worked to depose that regime. Also, consider the experience in Latin America whose people suffered under American-backed right wing dictators like Anastacio Somoza of Nicaragua, Roberto D' Aubuisson of El Salvador, Augusto Pinochet of Chile, and more. It was the Catholic church that took the side of the oppressed against these rulers who were considered to be lackeys of Washington.

Obama's multicultural heritage enables him to see our country through the eyes of non-Americans, and allows him to empathize with the concerns of the other inhabitants of this planet, much as the Catholic church is able to do. Obama will obviously be president of the US first and foremost, but it helps to have somebody like him who is not oblivious to the rest of the world.

The point here is that Obama is not too far off from the Catholic church's stance on many issues.
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Old 05-20-2008, 10:57 AM
 
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But Obama is a Hamas-loving, terrorist-appeasing, unrepentant Muslim schvartze honky-hater. How can the Jews not see this?

Oh - they like him because he's a socialist. Never mind.
No. Rather because Jews emphasize education and give thought before speaking.
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Old 05-20-2008, 11:13 AM
 
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No. Rather because Jews emphasize education and give thought before speaking.
delusianne is obviously being sarcastic

That said,
Its so funny how conservatives roll over themselves to scare jewish communities here and abroad of impending doom should Barack Obama become President yet Jewish voters see right through their lies.

Bravo!
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Old 05-20-2008, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Downtown Greensboro, NC
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Well there you have it folks Obama will be the next president of the US
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