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I've already said no one in charge of IL deserves anything in the white house.
Tell that to Lincoln. Of course he wasn't "in charge" of IL, but neither is Obama.
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Claiming he had no part is not facing the truth.
Part? I guess everyone has a part in IL's economic woes. The big problem, however, is state and local Gov't. Our Governor is a joke, and he's not alone.
If you want to say "Obama hasn't helped", we can have a discussion. But to say "Obama has destroyed Illinois(') economy" (the title of this thread) is a joke. Seriously. Come on.
Well I guess if you want 4 more years of the 8 we had then elect McSame. If you want war with Iran, continuation of war with Iraq, then choose McSame. I expect he will implement the draft as well. McSame will be the way to Canadian citizenship for young Americans that know this is a war to no where for nothing. If you want something different then choose Nader , Obama, or some of the independents. I personally think Ron Paul is a flash back to Reagan era republicans ( more conservative than the present ones)
I'm not seeing the last 8 years as anything to be proud of and certainly think we need a change in the worse way. A special interest republican with temper issues, and little character is not the answer! He wasn't competent in his military career why do you think he would make a good president?
McSame = the road to McShame
If you want to say "Obama hasn't helped", we can have a discussion. But to say "Obama has destroyed Illinois(') economy" (the title of this thread) is a joke. Seriously. Come on.
That's exactly what I'm getting at. I don't think he is soley alone....I have seen the horrible decisions by the gov.
Is he suppose to help the rest of the US going in with the same gun ho UHC & social programs....is that going to help?
What help will it provide to anyone if we go bankrupt.....or become 185 of 195 countries in gdp to debt....
You've given us a chart of the US Debt. Not the deficit. The deficit adds to the debt, and that flat section in the late '90s is what Kuvopolis was talking about.
That's exactly what I'm getting at. I don't think he is soley alone....I have seen the horrible decisions by the gov.
Is he suppose to help the rest of the US going in with the same gun ho UHC & social programs....is that going to help?
What help will it provide to anyone if we go bankrupt.....or become 185 of 195 countries in gdp to debt....
We're paying a ton in healthcare costs anyway. We need a better model. I think that there are far less pressing things that we are spending trillions on (Iraq comes to mind... and that expense isn't even included in spending/deficit numbers...).
Well I guess if you want 4 more years of the 8 we had then elect McSame. If you want war with Iran, continuation of war with Iraq, then choose McSame. I expect he will implement the draft as well. McSame will be the way to Canadian citizenship for young Americans that know this is a war to no where for nothing. If you want something different then choose Nader , Obama, or some of the independents. I personally think Ron Paul is a flash back to Reagan era republicans ( more conservative than the present ones)
I'm not seeing the last 8 years as anything to be proud of and certainly think we need a change in the worse way. A special interest republican with temper issues, and little character is not the answer! He wasn't competent in his military career why do you think he would make a good president?
McSame = the road to McShame
"Those who closely follow U.S. defense posture know that President George W. Bush’s August 2004 announcement of a proposed global redeployment of U.S. troops was predated by many years of prepa*ration and planning. “The world has changed a great deal and our posture must change with it,” President Bush said. The plan will withdraw 70,000 troops from Europe and Asia, continu*ing the departure from the Cold War stance of 1950–1990."
Is it not?
Or do you judge him only for his push for freedom in the mid east...and going after dictators?
You've given us a chart of the US Debt. Not the deficit. The deficit adds to the debt, and that flat section in the late '90s is what Kuvopolis was talking about.
Overall we are exactly the same % in debt as we have been throughout history. Yes there is pluses and minuses....
Where do 9/11, Katrina (along with numerous other catastrophes), 2 wars, Enron bust, tech bust, 10th largest stock market bust, housing bubble...where do they fall into the scheme of things through out history? Those things cost money to do....you can disagree with the war but the majority of those items Bush had no control of.
Clinton enjoyed a bit of a false hope. It fell down hard on us with the tech bubble, Enron, and removing a good % og military spending. There is always a pay off and that lead to us being under funded when we needed to go to war.
Actually Congress is the body that spends and controls the economy. During Clinton it boomed under Newt and company and under Bush has slowed once Pelosi and Reid took control.
Inarguably impressive stats!
383.7% GOP vs. 639% Dems
Thanks for providing the link..
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