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Old 09-06-2008, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Limestone,TN/Bucerias, Mexico
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One BIG difference is that Obama will RAISE your taxes and McCain will extend the Bush taxcuts. Any increase in taxes should raise a red flag that this person is a statist and does not believe in fiscal individual freedoms. There's a reason that Paul is a republican, because he fits better with the reps fiscally. If this is your priority, I would suggest that you would be wrong to support Obama.
Not unless you make over a quarter million a year. And based on the GOP's wild spending spree over the last 7 years (and our now monstrous deficit), I'd also beg to differ on their being fiscally conservative..
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:55 PM
 
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Not unless you make over a quarter million a year. And based on the GOP's wild spending spree over the last 7 years (and our now monstrous deficit), I'd also beg to differ on their being fiscally conservative..
I guess its according to whether you believe his policies during the primaries or the general elections. Considering that he is one of the most liberal senators in Congress, I'd bet on him increasing the capital gains tax, payroll tax, and social security tax.
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Not unless you make over a quarter million a year.
Why does that not bother anyone? Why is it that so many people in this country would rather punish those that work(ed) hard for their money? Why would do we need to take from anyone so that others can have as well? When does the line get moved down? And who drew the line where it is? Why?
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Everywhere
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LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE

NOT NOT NOT loose.

God that is awful and intentional bad grammar!
the one that gets me is worst and worse. I use them wrong all the time.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:10 PM
 
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Why does that not bother anyone? Why is it that so many people in this country would rather punish those that work(ed) hard for their money? Why would do we need to take from anyone so that others can have as well? When does the line get moved down? And who drew the line where it is? Why?
I guess those making $249,999 haven't crossed that threshold into being "evil". It's called envy and class warfare.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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I guess those making $249,999 haven't crossed that threshold into being "evil".
It seems so arbitrary. And anyone with even the common sense to hire a good CPA can get below that threshold if they're only a few thousand above in reality. Aside from that, doesn't it seem wrong to take money for someone that earned it to give it to someone that didn't? We aren't all equally talented. We shouldn't all be equally compensated.
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:26 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Even Ron Paul believes in taxes supporting the military. I don't understand your contention about Haliburton however.
So, if I understand you correctly, you would support an increase in everyone's taxes, so long as YOU benefit from it. Is it me or does this seem a bit unprincipled? This mentality is what empowers the fiscal liberals to continue to take our resources, with a promise that we'll get a small portion of it back in a manner of their choosing. However, they fail to mention that the large majority will go to entitlement programs designed to increase dependency on the government and to expand their power over the people.
bush, mcccain & co. ARE fiscal liberals! they certainly don't fit the old definition of what conservative used to mean. conservative used to mean "fiscal restraint". it no longer holds that cache. if fiscal diarrhea is to be a reality, it's better that at least it flows to the citizenry rather than the military industrial complex like it does now under bush.
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Old 09-07-2008, 12:58 AM
 
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i'd love to vote libertarian but the only thing worse than a neocon is a neocon in libertarian clothing: bob barr

he just doesn't feel it
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Old 09-07-2008, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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bush, mcccain & co. ARE fiscal liberals! they certainly don't fit the old definition of what conservative used to mean. conservative used to mean "fiscal restraint". it no longer holds that cache. if fiscal diarrhea is to be a reality, it's better that at least it flows to the citizenry rather than the military industrial complex like it does now under bush.
That, I agree with.
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Old 09-07-2008, 01:06 AM
 
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One BIG difference is that Obama will RAISE your taxes and McCain will extend the Bush taxcuts. Any increase in taxes should raise a red flag that this person is a statist and does not believe in fiscal individual freedoms. There's a reason that Paul is a republican, because he fits better with the reps fiscally. If this is your priority, I would suggest that you would be wrong to support Obama.


This is exactly wrong. The CATO Institue (conservative) ran a study that showed that not paying the bills. (GOP running huge deficits) contributes more to spending. At least Democrats pay their way. They will raise taxes and Americans will feel the pain, thus creating a desire to curtail spending down the road.. GOPers don't pay their way, but continue to spend, and not feel the pain of their spending.

Just like Americans with their credit cards.
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