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Old 10-02-2008, 05:59 PM
 
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Obama has yet to give his stands on any single issue.

His baby, free health care for welfare plan is a goner, cannot happen now.

All other issues he talks the talk but has no REAL plans in writing to address the issues.

Just like his votes in Congress, everything is half as***. He is scammed you with his present and not accounted for policy.

Just words, just words.

All talk and no action.

No one liberal on this board can find a single important bill or accomplishment as a Senator of Obama, not one.

No major decision making and no sponsors of any legit issue in 3 years for him. Not one.

This is not a leader, this is a stupid nut who fakes his way through.

YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMED !
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:10 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You're not seriously saying that YouTube is a credible source for information, are you?

It just so happens that both parties are to blame for this economic mess. They both sold the taxpayer and those who play by the rules out. I just hope people remember what their incumbents did when they go into the voting booth!!

Republicans are taking the brunt of the blame right now because for the past 8 years they were in control, and for at least for the first 6, could have fixed anything that was broken without Democratic support - but they did worse than nothing - they turned a blind eye to the housing bubble and subprime disaster and in fact made the regulatory agencies ease up big-time on their regulatory duties.

They let their rich and powerful friends on Wall Street run wild...

HubbleRules
You have no clue. Do you have any idea WHY Bush, et al, have had to ask American taxpayers to foot the bill?

Fannie and Freddie are heavily implicated in the mortgage meltdown/credit crisis/bailout fleecing of American taxpayers.

The companies, which together own or guarantee about $5 trillion in home loans, about half the nation’s total, have lost $14 billion in the last year and are likely to pile up billions more in losses until the housing market begins to recover.

Fannie and Freddie both purchase home loans from banks and then repackage those loans as mortgage-backed securities which they either hold on their own books or sell to investors around the globe.
Government takes control of Fannie, Freddie - Mortgage Mess - MSNBC.com (broken link)

---That last sentence is why American taxpayers are going to have to pay foreign investors/governments for the bad debt/mortgage-backed securities Fannie/Freddie sold them.---

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has been in contact in recent weeks with foreign governments that hold billions of dollars of Fannie and Freddie debt to reassure them that the United States recognizes the importance of the two companies.

Armando Falcon, who clashed frequently with the companies during his six years as Fannie and Freddie's chief government regulator, said in an interview last month that the companies' woes are similar to the downfall of other major corporate titans like Enron and WorldCom earlier this decade. "It boils down to a whole lot of greed and arrogance," he said.

The companies, he said, took advantage of the perception on Wall Street that the government would stand behind them in a time of crisis, as is now the case.

With that implied government backing, the companies generated large profits for years, but ultimately took on too much risk, causing investors to lose faith in their ability to navigate the historic housing bust.

Even as the subprime mortgage market collapsed, Fannie and Freddie kept backing risky so-called Alt-A loans, which were made to borrowers with solid credit but little proof of their incomes, or small or no down payments.
Mortgage giants were blind to bubble - Mortgage Mess - MSNBC.com

Hagel, Sununu, Dole, McCain (all R's) tried to rein in Fannie/Freddie. The Democrats repeatedly blocked those attempts.

Video of Congressional Hearings in 2004:

YouTube - Democrats Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Economic Crisis

Where is a big chunk of that $700 billion going to go?

Representative Sherman's (D-Cal) statement included here (Sherman speaks at 1:46 if you want to skip the rest of the commentary)...

YouTube - **FLASH** The REAL REASON For The Bailout (Hint: FOREIGNERS)

More on how this went down...

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The Greatest “Bait and Switch” of ALL TIME
I recently spent some time with a senior executive in the structured product marketing group (Collateralized Debt Obligations, Collateralized Loan Obligations, Etc.) of one of the largest brokerage firms in the world. I was in Roses, Spain attending a wedding for a good friend of mine who thought it would be an appropriate time to put the two of us together (given our shared interests in the structured credit markets). This individual proceeded to tell me how and why the Subprime Mezzanine CDO business existed. Subprime Mezzanine CDOs are 10-20X levered vehicles that contain only the BBB and BBB- tranches of Subprime debt. He told me that the “real money” (US insurance companies, pension funds, etc) accounts had stopped purchasing mezzanine tranches of US Subprime debt in late 2003 and that they needed a mechanism that could enable them to “mark up” these loans, package them opaquely, and EXPORT THE NEWLY PACKAGED RISK TO UNWITTING BUYERS IN ASIA AND CENTRAL EUROPE!!!! He told me with a straight face that these CDOs were the only way to get rid of the riskiest tranches of Subprime debt. Interestingly enough, these buyers (mainland Chinese Banks, the Chinese Government, Taiwanese banks, Korean banks, German banks, French banks, UK banks) possess the “excess” pools of liquidity around the globe. These pools are basically derived from two sources: 1) massive trade surpluses with the US in USD, 2) petrodollar recyclers. These two pools of excess capital are US dollar denominated and have had a virtually insatiable demand for US dollar denominated debt…until now. They have had orders on the various desks of Wall St. to buy any US debt rated “AAA” by the rating agencies in the US. How do BBB and BBB-tranches become AAA? Through the alchemy of Mezzanine-CDOs. With the help of the ratings agencies the Mezzanine CDO managers collect a series of BBB and BBB- tranches and repackage them with a cascading cash waterfall so that the top tiers are paid out first on all the tranches – thus allowing them to be rated AAA. Well, when you lever ONLY mezzanine tranches of Subprime RMBS 10-20X, POOF…you magically have 80% of the structure rated “AAA” by the ratings agencies, despite the underlying collateral being a collection of BBB and BBB- rated assets… This will go down as one of the biggest financial illusions the world has EVER seen. These institutions have these investments marked at PAR or 100 cents on the dollar for the most part. Now that the underlying collateral has begun to be downgraded, it is only a matter of time (weeks, days, or maybe just hours) before the ratings agencies (or what is left of them) downgrade the actual tranches of these various CDO structures. When they are downgraded, these foreign buyers will most likely have to sell them due to the fact that they are only permitted to own “super-senior” risk in the US. I predict that these tranches of mezzanine CDOs will fetch bids of around 10 cents on the dollar. The ensuing HORROR SHOW will be worth the price of admission and some popcorn.
FT Alphaville » Blog Archive » The full subprime letter from Hayman’s Kyle Bass

The American taxpayer is the buyer, and foreign investors/governments are highly unliklely to want to sell the CDOs back to us for 10 cents on the dollar.


"A significant number of synthetic CDO deals reference Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, according to S&P. A total of 1,531 U.S. and European deals making up 2,104 rated tranches have exposure to these entities."
S&P Expects GSE Announcement to Have Limited Impact on Synthetic CDOs

The $700 billion bailout is just the beginning.
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:27 PM
 
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The only reason McCain is still in this race is because of Obama's stance on the issues.

Obama does not represent the beliefs and positions of most Americans.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:32 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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Actually, Obama is not merely going to win because of his stand on the issues.

He's going to ride an anti-Republican Tsunami into office - with a mandate to do whatever is needed to correct the direction the country is heading...
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Well, I'm certainly gald you feel so good about your Party destroying our country. I choose to preserve it for my grandchildren. It sickens me to see what the Democrats have done to the financial markets. How can you possibly support them? And you feel "good" about this? Amazing.
You can also thank them for the countries reputation as well. If everyone banned together at the time of 9/11 and stayed true till now the other countries wouldn't look at us like so. But they jumped ship.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:43 PM
 
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What exactly is his stand on the issues?

All you ever hear from him is that it's time for change and Bush this, Bush that. He doesn't seem to have any stand.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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His stand from what I have gathered by listening careful is spend spend spend.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:50 PM
 
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Absolutely...the President can't move without congress and apparently they think Obama is above all that. The good General will be the one making the strategic calls.
He isnt??

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"this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow"
He must think he is Moses or something.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:52 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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He isnt??



He must think he is Moses or something.

Now that you mention it, compared to that disaster called Dubya, he may appear like Moses to some...

He's got my vote!!!
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Old 10-07-2008, 05:04 PM
 
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Actually, Obama is not merely going to win because of his stand on the issues.

He's going to ride an anti-Republican Tsunami into office - with a mandate to do whatever is needed to correct the direction the country is heading...
You are correct sir. The Republicans are going to put Obama into office.
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