Gays/Lesbians, Did Palin Turn You Off Last Night? (solution, dollars, retirement)
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I think that marriage is a religious thing. I think it became a political thing when government got involved. I think that governmental part of marriage should be put to bed. what are the benefits that you get as far as marriage goes? are there tax benefits?
I have a few friends (straight) that were married at the courthouse and it is considered a marriage. No priest, just a judge.
please reread. I said sex was a choice. love and sex have nothing to do with one another.
Huh? What??????????
What about all those songs?
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Originally Posted by jmarquise
100% false. homosexuality is a choice and it's not debatable. you either choose to sleep with guys, or you choose to sleep with girls. you are born gay, but the acts of homosexuality, as well as heterosexuality are choices.
Now wait a minute; are we talking about the law of the thing or the morality of it? Surely we can't be judged on our desires, but our deeds. Now the morality of it goes a bit further. There was a Carpenter that knew about morality and said that all action was born in thought. To get mad at your brother is to kill him. To covet another is to basically do the nasty with. The "sin" would already be committed.
The "orientation" being a choice is something you cannot prove. If your orientation is not straight, I'd say you know quite a bit about being gay. If it is not, I'm not interested in your opinion on something you know nothing about. What if it wasn't a choice? What if they were destined to be gay? Now God is going to give them the sex instinct that we all have and condemn them for using it?
We know what the Christian church teaches. But wwjd right now right here? Is there a possibility that we're not all wired the same and for some reason? I'd say yes. I'm not going to buy this choice bit because I only know what straight is like.
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I can't imagine about anyone having a love affair with her from the beginning anyway. Not only does she believe that people can 'pray the gay away', she also believes that the Iraq war is 'part of Gods plan', that even using the morning after pill is a 'sin', and that women should bear a child from incest or rape. She also believes polar bears should NOT be protected. What a slime ball. Anyone with views this far right is a little whacked in the first place. It always goes back to the same thing, people of religion, no matter which religion, usually feel they can dictate and set the rules for other peoples lives.
Being gay I do not care if she tolerates us or not. She is pathetically uneducated and narrow minded. I actually cannot tolerate to watch another minute of her with those little homespun comments and winks. Fearful religious people in the bible belt may find it endearing, but as we all know most of those people vote against their own best interests anyway. Her grammar is atrocious, she doesn't complete sentences and in the middle of one topic she goes into another topic. This is one bare bones educated politician, "you betcha"!
I would rather have the "state" out of it all together. I don't need a license to dictate who I can sleep with, or live with. we are so over governed we don't even realize it anymore.
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Originally Posted by minibrings
What is your opinion of no marriage for anyone? period. Only civil unions performed by the state will be recognized for both same sex and non-same sex couples? If they want the marriage label they can go to their church afterwards but that marriage will not be recognised by the state?
I agree that it is too PC, but you just proved why the word "tolerant" can be very insulting. Everything you are tolerant of, you are better than or feel that you are above it. See why that word is not a good one to use in the situation then? If I am tolerant of you, then that means I think I am above you - but will tolerate your presense because I am a good person. Of course, that is just an example - I don't know you.
Well my children are very disiplined and well mannered. I tolerate that others are not. Even when they intrude and their behaviors impact me or mine.
I keep my yard neat and clean no clutter. I tolerate that the neighbors are less so and I am forced to clean up the debree that blows over on to my property.
I am a vet who proudly served his nation. I am tolerant of those who have never served but feel as though they are experts on who and what soldiers are.
I don't feel I am better or above my neighbors. I do know that I maintain my property better than they do. I do know that my children are better behaved.
Tolerant doesn't place anyone above another it simply means that while not agreeing with them you can live with what ever the issue is.
4000 years of a man and woman union = marriage, then during a 10 year liberal movement you want to change that definition? Sorry, it don't work that way. You have your civil unions and full legal and constructional protection, but you want to attack traditional values with "in your face" politics and attack the spiritual aspect and 4000 year traditional aspects of society. It won't happen, not in my lifetime. 80% of Americans oppose you taking over the term marriage. Have your civil union and be done with it. Nuff said!
marriage = only MA
civil union = only NJ, CT, VT... ??
so no gays do not have civil unions for the most part in the US, and some states passed or are passing legislation NOT to recognise unions made in other states.. which is abhorent!
their partners do not get the right to their partners social security if one predecedes them
in hospitals in some states they are denied seeing their partners
and where did you get the 80% number from
people are only asking for fairness
if it seems in your face sometimes social activism has to be in your face (example: civil rights movement)
marriage = only MA
civil union = only NJ, CT, VT... ??
so no gays do not have civil unions for the most part in the US, and some states passed or are passing legislation NOT to recognise unions made in other states.. which is abhorent!
their partners do not get the right to their partners social security if one predecedes them
in hospitals in some states they are denied seeing their partners
and where did you get the 80% number from
people are only asking for fairness
Marriage is legal in MA and CA
Civil Unions are legal in NJ, CT, VT, NH. Maine, Washington, Oregon and NY have some form of domestic partnership benefits/recognition.
We are making great strides!!!!
my point is that I want the government out of our bedrooms.
I know. I want the government to butt out of a lot of things in our lives too. LESS GOVERNMENT PLEASE.
So what is the difference between a straight couple getting married at the courthouse and a gay couple getting married (civil union???) at the courthouse. (question not directed at you, just anyone who can answer)
the whole not being able to see him if he is sick is insane, but the tax thing is a bit hypocritical of you. you claim to want everyone treated equal, yet you complaining about getting tax benefits that are only extended to married couples. does that not discriminate against singles?
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Originally Posted by jjbradleynyc
Marriage is a contract between 2 consenting adults. It can be conducted using a pastor, priest, etc., or a justice of the peace. How do you explain all those weekend Vegas marriages? Those aren't religious at all.
There are tax benefits for sure. I can't file as "married" on the federal tax return and get a deduction. The gvt doesn't recognize it.
Also, in a lot of states, if my partner were in intensive care or were to get sick, I'm not legally related to him (how disgusting is that?), and can't "see" him.
It's discrimination, and has to stop. We need to get some wise leaders in office who aren't drooling over the oil field profits in Iraq.
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) at the courthouse. (question not directed at you, just anyone who can answer)
