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Old 10-03-2008, 12:53 PM
 
Location: USA
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Sarah, I was very incensed listening to you last night going on about people living outside their means. This was in response to the housing mortgage crisis.
You went on about people can't buy homes worth 300K if they can only afford 100K. Someone, please tell me...please, where you can buy even a condo for 100K? Maybe in some very rural areas??

Your chiding tone, scolding Americans for buying homes they couldn't afford doesn't comprehend what is going on:

People want the American Dream. You would rather have us cut back, than to get good paying jobs back in America!! Ha! Expect less, don't aspire to more...

People seek tax shelters. I don't blame them for wanting the equity either.

People assume they will be making more money in the future, or at least hoping for that. People take risks to have something better.

You blame Americans, when the problem lies with the economy.
Lost jobs, big debts and not necessarily from frivolous spending, jobs not keeping up with the cost of living are at the root of this.
Medical debts are the main problem of personal debt.

It is no wonder that Ohio has been the No. 1 state for home foreclosures...look at the millions of jobs lost, and the pay scales have gone DOWN there.

Your little talk about sitting around the table with Todd, talking about how you once didn't have insurance, blah blah. Come on! Next we will be hearing about how John McCain had to go without a corp jet at some point.

Sarah, don't try to empathize with me, because you can't. You don't know what it is like to take a job so I can be employed, so I don't qualify for health care assistance, but I don't make enough to cover health insurance costs. I cannot afford a $5000 deductible to afford the cheapest plan either. But my goal is to not be on the dole.

Sarah, don't tell me what a Maverick is. I have never aligned myself with anything or anyone because of party lines. I am an American Patriot and Taxpayer. I call it what it is. I have had to move 3 times to stay employed. Who would ever think one would have to be such a job nomad in this nation? There was a time when you could live near or in any big city, and find a livable wage job with health care benefits.

Sarah, don't tell me you know how it is. You won't talk about the destruction of the Middle Class, the outsourcing of jobs, the downsizing, the rewarding of corps that go overseas.

Sarah, I haven't heard you say once, how you'd give incentives for those companies to operate and employ Americans on American soil.

Sarah, all I have heard you talk about is the oil companies. I have heard you rant about Israel, but that, lady, is the fire you should have about the American people, not a foreign nation.

Sarah, you and John want to tax employment health care benefits. That is one of the worst things I have ever heard.

Sarah, I don't believe you. I don't believe that smile. I didn't get one wave of seriousness from you about things. I did get that you want to be VP of this nation, and that is your goal. But I don't trust many politicians and when you try to sit next to me and talk like you are "one of us", you aren't. I smell Karl Rove behind the spins, and I personally do not know how you can live with yourself. You accepted this nomination, because you wanted to be second in command, it was heady, seductive, and because you made it to governor, this was exhilarating. You fell for the "more power" and you must have had to turn off your mind at night to sleep.

You see, people remember George Bush's campaigns. The "guy you could sit and have a beer with" is the guy who was a blueblood from Connecticut, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He isn't some pickup truck driving guy who just got elected by the popular vote. He used the same attempts. He even says EYE-RACK and NOOK YUH LAR but that never made him struggle the struggle out here.

Sarah, none of this is about relating to you, or liking your hobbies, your glasses, the fact you are a mom, or that you hail from AK. You are the big distraction, to get people to "relate to" you. But I don't vote for someone just because they are a woman, or any other superficial reason. I look at where someone stands on the issues. Ron Paul made more sense than anyone else. I cross party lines, but moreover, I consider myself an independent. It was people like you who have hijacked the Republican party, and made it a party of Neoconservatives and the Religious Right. George Bush is no conservative, yet, I can bet you and McCain will follow in his footsteps.

It is about the real issues facing this nation. We need someone who can MANAGE and CHANGE this tide. And those words are easy to throw around and use, just like the Maverick word. You say too much, but you say too little.

But someone once said to me, "Watch their actions, not their words."

-An American Taxpayer
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:56 PM
 
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Sarah, I was very incensed listening to you last night going on about people living outside their means. This was in response to the housing mortgage crisis.
You went on about people can't buy homes worth 300K if they can only afford 100K. Someone, please tell me...please, where you can buy even a condo for 100K? Maybe in some very rural areas??

Your chiding tone, scolding Americans for buying homes they couldn't afford doesn't comprehend what is going on:

People want the American Dream. You would rather have us cut back, than to get good paying jobs back in America!! Ha! Expect less, don't aspire to more...

People seek tax shelters. I don't blame them for wanting the equity either.

People assume they will be making more money in the future, or at least hoping for that. People take risks to have something better.

You blame Americans, when the problem lies with the economy.
Lost jobs, big debts and not necessarily from frivolous spending, jobs not keeping up with the cost of living are at the root of this.
Medical debts are the main problem of personal debt.

It is no wonder that Ohio has been the No. 1 state for home foreclosures...look at the millions of jobs lost, and the pay scales have gone DOWN there.

Your little talk about sitting around the table with Todd, talking about how you once didn't have insurance, blah blah. Come on! Next we will be hearing about how John McCain had to go without a corp jet at some point.

Sarah, don't try to empathize with me, because you can't. You don't know what it is like to take a job so I can be employed, so I don't qualify for health care assistance, but I don't make enough to cover health insurance costs. I cannot afford a $5000 deductible to afford the cheapest plan either. But my goal is to not be on the dole.

Sarah, don't tell me what a Maverick is. I have never aligned myself with anything or anyone because of party lines. I am an American Patriot and Taxpayer. I call it what it is. I have had to move 3 times to stay employed. Who would ever think one would have to be such a job nomad in this nation? There was a time when you could live near or in any big city, and find a livable wage job with health care benefits.

Sarah, don't tell me you know how it is. You won't talk about the destruction of the Middle Class, the outsourcing of jobs, the downsizing, the rewarding of corps that go overseas.

Sarah, I haven't heard you say once, how you'd give incentives for those companies to operate and employ Americans on American soil.

Sarah, all I have heard you talk about is the oil companies. I have heard you rant about Israel, but that, lady, is the fire you should have about the American people, not a foreign nation.

Sarah, you and John want to tax employment health care benefits. That is one of the worst things I have ever heard.

Sarah, I don't believe you. I don't believe that smile. I didn't get one wave of seriousness from you about things. I did get that you want to be VP of this nation, and that is your goal. But I don't trust many politicians and when you try to sit next to me and talk like you are "one of us", you aren't. I smell Karl Rove behind the spins, and I personally do not know how you can live with yourself. You accepted this nomination, because you wanted to be second in command, it was heady, seductive, and because you made it to governor, this was exhilarating. You fell for the "more power" and you must have had to turn off your mind at night to sleep.

You see, people remember George Bush's campaigns. The "guy you could sit and have a beer with" is the guy who was a blueblood from Connecticut, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He isn't some pickup truck driving guy who just got elected by the popular vote. He used the same attempts. He even says EYE-RACK and NOOK YUH LAR but that never made him struggle the struggle out here.

Sarah, none of this is about relating to you, or liking your hobbies, your glasses, the fact you are a mom, or that you hail from AK. You are the big distraction, to get people to "relate to" you. But I don't vote for someone just because they are a woman, or any other superficial reason. I look at where someone stands on the issues. Ron Paul made more sense than anyone else. I cross party lines, but moreover, I consider myself an independent. It was people like you who have hijacked the Republican party, and made it a party of Neoconservatives and the Religious Right. George Bush is no conservative, yet, I can bet you and McCain will follow in his footsteps.

It is about the real issues facing this nation. We need someone who can MANAGE and CHANGE this tide. And those words are easy to throw around and use, just like the Maverick word. You say too much, but you say too little.

But someone once said to me, "Watch their actions, not their words."

-An American Taxpayer
wow....an awesome letter! Very well said!

unfortunately, I don't think she has a clue.....
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:58 PM
 
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Tried to rep you, but apparently I have done so before. Well said.
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Wantagh NY
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Great letter...now to get her to read it!
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Your chiding tone, scolding Americans for buying homes they couldn't afford doesn't comprehend what is going on:

People want the American Dream. You would rather have us cut back, than to get good paying jobs back in America!! Ha! Expect less, don't aspire to more...

People seek tax shelters. I don't blame them for wanting the equity either.
I see. So you SUPPORT people getting in WAY over their heads and buying homes they can't afford? Since when is the "American Dream" to own a bloody McMansion? People like you are prime examples of the PROBLEM.

And you SUPPORT people cashing in the equity on these homes they can't afford to dig themselves in an even deeper hole? This aforementioned "American Dream" of yours includes using a big ole home as an ATM? Funny -- I thought homes were for living in, not to use as collateral to live beyond your means.

This exemplifies EXACTLY what's happened to America. By all means, elect your inexperienced leader who will prop up this sort of philosophy. And watch the REAL American Dream fall apart from the greed.
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:27 PM
 
Location: FL to GA back to FL
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very well said, and you must send that to her.
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:57 PM
 
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I agree with much of what you said, in particular about what are mccains plans for keeping american businesses in the US, as well as to reverse the outsourcing that is currently happening. To be fair, I don't hear anything from obama about that either.

Now, where you and I disagree is the willful disregard some had to their personal finances. Is it easy to live above your means? Yes. Does that mean it must happen? No, it doesn't. Personal responsibility has become a dirty word, hell it has almost become a 'complex' and a rare one at that. The fact is, noone compelled people to take out massive mortgages. Greedy people did that. You ask where can a person by a condo for less then $100 grand? Omaha ne for one...and I would hardly call omaha 'rural'. In chicago you would be more hard pressed and would have to go out into the suburbs. But again, here comes personal responsibility -- you make a choice to either take a mortgage on a house you cannot afford, or live outside the city, or have a smaller place or take in a roommate.
Personal stupidity, greed, and a lack of common sense should not be termed reasons for a federal level bailout. If that is what the american people truly have aspired to, we don't need a nanny state -- we need an institutionalized state. And we just may get it.
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:07 PM
 
Location: LP-CHI-IL
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Sarah, I was very incensed listening to you last night going on about people living outside their means. This was in response to the housing mortgage crisis.
You went on about people can't buy homes worth 300K if they can only afford 100K. Someone, please tell me...please, where you can buy even a condo for 100K? Maybe in some very rural areas??

Your chiding tone, scolding Americans for buying homes they couldn't afford doesn't comprehend what is going on:

People want the American Dream. You would rather have us cut back, than to get good paying jobs back in America!! Ha! Expect less, don't aspire to more...

People seek tax shelters. I don't blame them for wanting the equity either.

People assume they will be making more money in the future, or at least hoping for that. People take risks to have something better.

You blame Americans, when the problem lies with the economy.
Lost jobs, big debts and not necessarily from frivolous spending, jobs not keeping up with the cost of living are at the root of this.
Medical debts are the main problem of personal debt.

It is no wonder that Ohio has been the No. 1 state for home foreclosures...look at the millions of jobs lost, and the pay scales have gone DOWN there.

Your little talk about sitting around the table with Todd, talking about how you once didn't have insurance, blah blah. Come on! Next we will be hearing about how John McCain had to go without a corp jet at some point.

Sarah, don't try to empathize with me, because you can't. You don't know what it is like to take a job so I can be employed, so I don't qualify for health care assistance, but I don't make enough to cover health insurance costs. I cannot afford a $5000 deductible to afford the cheapest plan either. But my goal is to not be on the dole.

Sarah, don't tell me what a Maverick is. I have never aligned myself with anything or anyone because of party lines. I am an American Patriot and Taxpayer. I call it what it is. I have had to move 3 times to stay employed. Who would ever think one would have to be such a job nomad in this nation? There was a time when you could live near or in any big city, and find a livable wage job with health care benefits.

Sarah, don't tell me you know how it is. You won't talk about the destruction of the Middle Class, the outsourcing of jobs, the downsizing, the rewarding of corps that go overseas.

Sarah, I haven't heard you say once, how you'd give incentives for those companies to operate and employ Americans on American soil.

Sarah, all I have heard you talk about is the oil companies. I have heard you rant about Israel, but that, lady, is the fire you should have about the American people, not a foreign nation.

Sarah, you and John want to tax employment health care benefits. That is one of the worst things I have ever heard.

Sarah, I don't believe you. I don't believe that smile. I didn't get one wave of seriousness from you about things. I did get that you want to be VP of this nation, and that is your goal. But I don't trust many politicians and when you try to sit next to me and talk like you are "one of us", you aren't. I smell Karl Rove behind the spins, and I personally do not know how you can live with yourself. You accepted this nomination, because you wanted to be second in command, it was heady, seductive, and because you made it to governor, this was exhilarating. You fell for the "more power" and you must have had to turn off your mind at night to sleep.

You see, people remember George Bush's campaigns. The "guy you could sit and have a beer with" is the guy who was a blueblood from Connecticut, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He isn't some pickup truck driving guy who just got elected by the popular vote. He used the same attempts. He even says EYE-RACK and NOOK YUH LAR but that never made him struggle the struggle out here.

Sarah, none of this is about relating to you, or liking your hobbies, your glasses, the fact you are a mom, or that you hail from AK. You are the big distraction, to get people to "relate to" you. But I don't vote for someone just because they are a woman, or any other superficial reason. I look at where someone stands on the issues. Ron Paul made more sense than anyone else. I cross party lines, but moreover, I consider myself an independent. It was people like you who have hijacked the Republican party, and made it a party of Neoconservatives and the Religious Right. George Bush is no conservative, yet, I can bet you and McCain will follow in his footsteps.

It is about the real issues facing this nation. We need someone who can MANAGE and CHANGE this tide. And those words are easy to throw around and use, just like the Maverick word. You say too much, but you say too little.

But someone once said to me, "Watch their actions, not their words."

-An American Taxpayer
Beautiful post, couldn't have said it better myself. Also, do you notice that the closer someone gets to the truth of the current leadership, the more negative the far right-wingers get?

Also, if you haven't done so already, you should post this in your local news paper's "letters to the editor" section.
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:16 PM
 
Location: USA
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Thanks guys!
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Old 10-03-2008, 02:16 PM
 
Location: LP-CHI-IL
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I agree with much of what you said, in particular about what are mccains plans for keeping american businesses in the US, as well as to reverse the outsourcing that is currently happening. To be fair, I don't hear anything from obama about that either.

Now, where you and I disagree is the willful disregard some had to their personal finances. Is it easy to live above your means? Yes. Does that mean it must happen? No, it doesn't. Personal responsibility has become a dirty word, hell it has almost become a 'complex' and a rare one at that. The fact is, noone compelled people to take out massive mortgages. Greedy people did that. You ask where can a person by a condo for less then $100 grand? Omaha ne for one...and I would hardly call omaha 'rural'. In chicago you would be more hard pressed and would have to go out into the suburbs. But again, here comes personal responsibility -- you make a choice to either take a mortgage on a house you cannot afford, or live outside the city, or have a smaller place or take in a roommate.
Personal stupidity, greed, and a lack of common sense should not be termed reasons for a federal level bailout. If that is what the american people truly have aspired to, we don't need a nanny state -- we need an institutionalized state. And we just may get it.
Where is McCains plan for keeping jobs in america? As far as I know, he wants to EXPAND the movement of jobs overseas. Thats what free-trade is all about! In China, when workers decide to organize against their employers, the heavy foot of the socialist chinese government comes down on them. In China, the lack of worker safety and environmental laws keeps the price of manufacturing so low, the US can't compete. McCain doesn't address this at all, Obama does. I haven't heard McCain once talk about trade regulation (he's the deregulator, remember???).

And I agree with you on the housing market, but many people who defaulted on their mortage ended up doing so because they lost their jobs. Many were tech workers who once were making 60-70k doing highly skilled programming work who had their jobs sent over-seas by the likes of Carly Fiorina (McCains top economic advisor) and ended up having to take jobs that paid considerably less.
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