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Old 10-04-2008, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Everybody is going to hurt you, you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for-B Marley
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One man claims to have all the economic answers and to know just what the other man is going to do even though the other man has admitted the economy needs a lot of work and there are no easy answers but he's determined to find them.

Now, if all of Washington couldn't even come up with a plan all could agree upon, how can one man think he can fix everything?

Who do you believe--the man who claims to have all the answers? Or the man who's honest about not having the answers but is dedicated to finding them?

Don't be fooled. No one has the answers yet. No one has to have all the answers. For me, it's about who has the most at stake here; who has the most invested? Who seems more honest with himself and doesn't think he already knows it all? Who has the least to prove? Who's more determined to abolish business as usual and shake up even his own party? In fact, who puts country before partisan......?
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:56 PM
 
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If you're looking for civil reasoning, you've got a snowball's chance in hell of finding it here- 99% of the posters are complete drones for their party, so all you'll get is the pre-recorded party lines.
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:56 PM
 
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Why don't you give us a quote of the man "saying he has all the answers" or where he argued "he can fix everthing"?

I've never heard McCain or Obama say anything like that.
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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If you're looking for civil reasoning, you've got a snowball's chance in hell of finding it here- 99% of the posters are complete drones for their party, so all you'll get is the pre-recorded party lines.
lol...In a perfect world we'd get a civil topic first.
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:59 PM
 
Location: southern california
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its not that hard to fill a bag up with money. but 1st you got to plug the great big holes in the bottom.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Convince me otherwise--looking for civil reasoning
All you really have to go on is their records;

One says he is a uniter, but his record says differently. He has never reached across the aisle or bucked his party on tough issues.

The other actually has a record of reaching across party lines, bucking his party while doing what he thought was right, many, many times throughout the years.

One says washington is broken and corrupt while engaging in one of the reasons it is that way. Earmarks. He has taken almost $800 million in 2 years in the senate.

The other - has never requested an earmark, in his long career in the senate.

Just a start for you.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Everybody is going to hurt you, you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for-B Marley
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Why don't you give us a quote of the man "saying he has all the answers" or where he argued "he can fix everthing"?

I've never heard McCain or Obama say anything like that.
Everything Obama says against McCain suggests he has the answers. Everything his campaign says about him suggests he's this expert on the economy. You can't get straight answers out of him so you really have to read between the lines. I started out being for Obama but recently changed my vote. Something doesn't seem right. I hope I'm wrong--just incase he gets in there.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:19 PM
 
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One man claims to have all the economic answers and to know just what the other man is going to do even though the other man has admitted the economy needs a lot of work and there are no easy answers but he's determined to find them.

Now, if all of Washington couldn't even come up with a plan all could agree upon, how can one man think he can fix everything?

Who do you believe--the man who claims to have all the answers? Or the man who's honest about not having the answers but is dedicated to finding them?

Don't be fooled. No one has the answers yet. No one has to have all the answers. For me, it's about who has the most at stake here; who has the most invested? Who seems more honest with himself and doesn't think he already knows it all? Who has the least to prove? Who's more determined to abolish business as usual and shake up even his own party? In fact, who puts country before partisan......?
The Yuppies ran for president a pig named No One in the early 70s, on this very platform.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Something doesn't seem right.
Your instincts are correct.

He latched onto a theme, a slogan - "change" and "hope" - he and his campaign realized the american people were not a happy lot with bush and were looking for something than the same old DC politician.

That is the phoney facade he has wrapped himself in - being an outsider, a different kind of politician, ready to unite the country. But all one has to do is look at his rise as a Chicago politician to know none of that is remotely true. His politics, tactics, methods are some of the dirtiest and slickest around. His record falls far short of his soaring rhetoric.

He is part of the Chicago political machine, not even remotely akin to an outsider.

The media had a big part in creating this "messiah" - they helped in him many ways to defeat Hillary. Just as they are trying to help him now to win the WH. He has flip-flopped on virtually every issue that won him the nomination from the left-wing of the party.
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:47 PM
 
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And then McCain latched onto Obama's slogan and started talking about change.
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