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I think someone running for PRESIDENT of the US should not associate with someone who hates the country...
I don't think it is illegal, but it shows an interesting contradiction...
It isn't illegal, and it doesn't necessarily mean that he hates the country. He's making a statement. He fought the establishment when he was young, he knows how to draw attention to the causes he's involved in. People burning flags, or standing on them, are fully aware of the symbolism involved. People who take such radical positions often love this country, very deeply, and they are passionate about it reaching the potential they see for it.
As an aside, I know a lovely older woman, very conservative, who loves this country very much. To make extra income, she cuts up old flags and makes them into teddy bears that she sells at craft fairs and church sales and such. It is illegal to do this. But she does it with no malice, no intention of offending anyone.
You see Ayers as attacking America in that picture. I see Ayers as attacking the status quo, attacking the bureaucracy that is a wall between the American people and the government that is supposed to belong to them. Yes, it's shocking, but it's supposed to shock. He could post on forums like this, but it's not exactly going to get the same amount of attention as that photo does, is it?
It isn't illegal, and it doesn't necessarily mean that he hates the country. He's making a statement. He fought the establishment when he was young, he knows how to draw attention to the causes he's involved in. People burning flags, or standing on them, are fully aware of the symbolism involved. People who take such radical positions often love this country, very deeply, and they are passionate about it reaching the potential they see for it.
As an aside, I know a lovely older woman, very conservative, who loves this country very much. To make extra income, she cuts up old flags and makes them into teddy bears that she sells at craft fairs and church sales and such. It is illegal to do this. But she does it with no malice, no intention of offending anyone.
You see Ayers as attacking America in that picture. I see Ayers as attacking the status quo, attacking the bureaucracy that is a wall between the American people and the government that is supposed to belong to them. Yes, it's shocking, but it's supposed to shock. He could post on forums like this, but it's not exactly going to get the same amount of attention as that photo does, is it?
I call them hyper patriots. I have family members like that who send around these obnoxious "patriotic" chain emails. They're so concerned that a piece of cloth that is a SYMBOL of our great country gets trampled. Yet they'll turn the other way when their own rights get trampled by corrupt power.
I'm not saying Ayers was a great man or what he did was right, but I would guess he cares more about what was and is happening in this country than I do (and most people here).
I call them hyper patriots. I have family members like that who send around these obnoxious "patriotic" chain emails. They're so concerned that a piece of cloth that is a SYMBOL of our great country gets trampled. Yet they'll turn the other way when their own rights get trampled by corrupt power.
I'm not saying Ayers was a great man or what he did was right, but I would guess he cares more about what was and is happening in this country than I do (and most people here).
I agree with you, I don't necessarily think Ayers is great, and I definitely don't agree with the things he did. But I also don't think he did those things out of hatred for the United States of America, but rather because he hated what our country was doing around the world, and specifically in VietNam, and doing on behalf of its citizens. He was speaking out against that, but the means he used to get his points across was wrong.
I also don't think he cares more about what was/is happening than you or I, but he's formed a habit of taking his concerns to the public more than most of us do. He's crafted a voice over the years, and he doesn't shy away from using that voice. It's up to all of us who do care, who are passionate about this country, to craft our own voices, and then to use them.
Or that he saw it. lots of middle age folks did the same in the 60's. Maybe why Obama is picking up support amongst them. They remember how they were then and now and are saying. EXCUSE ME!
Really? Well, I'm old enough to remember and I didn't know anyone who wanted to bomb the Pentagon and Capitol except for the SDS and the Weather Underground and the Black Panthers nor did I know anyone who bombed police headquarters. I sure don't know anyone who bragged about it as late as 2001 when Obama was how old? I know I didn't know anyone who said as late as 2001, when describing America - what a country, it makes me want to puke, but then I didn't know William Ayers..or Jeremiah Wright or Michele Obama when Barack was how old?
You know, it's pretty audacious to think if you have political aspirations, people wouldn't mind these associations.
I don't want to pile on but you know that Community Organizer, Saul Alinsky, that Hillary Clinton wrote her senior thesis on and then tried to hide from the public? That would be the same Chicago guy that taught community organizers in his Rules For Radicals (original edition had a dedication to Lucifer) to not overtly show hatred for the middle class and their irrational religious beliefs and said they cling to illusionary fixed points which are very real to them. You know, like clinging to guns and religion? He instructed that you aggitate, aggravate, educate then organize a group and make them think they came up with the community organizer's ideas by themselves.
You are being manipulated and the media in their zeal to elect a Democrat has been complicit. You just picked the wrong one and now we may all suffer for it.
I'm going to need a de-scrambler to get the point of this post.
There is no point. The OP set up a post talking about his Acorn encounter yet when pressed the van that he saw had no Acorn marking and the girls that he encountered did not identify themselves as Acorn workers. So any thread he starts is pretty much indecipherable.
So first they criticize someone for being a Community Organizer, although he helped to lift thousands of people out of poverty with education and job training. Now they're criticizing Obama for his association with a man who was honored as "Citizen of the Year" by the City of Chicago for his charitable work in education reform and his efforts to end poverty, because he was a radical during the Vietnam era when Obama was 8.
McCain and Palin have clearly said in their speeches and during debates "Stop looking at the past." So it's okay to go back more than 40 years to smear Obama but he can't mention the Bush administration? Bush & Cheney, who are responsible for the deaths of over 4,000 troops and the countless injuries of others are far from innocent. While we struggle to put food on the table, Iraq has an $80 billion surplus. Who are the real terrorists?
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