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Dare I type this?
The only time there is peace after a war, is when one side wins over the other, and that's normally done by totally kicking another country's tail, or by negotiating a peace. kissinger was sort of good at negotiating, I think.
take israel for instance, they've been fighting "terroism" for a very long time, and until both sides hammer out an agreement, they will never have peace, without total victory. The US made peace with japan & German Nazi's only after their butts were kicked. the US lost many people, and so did they.
It's a shame grown men just can't sit down at a table with a smoke and a cup of java and talk things out, without having to spill blood. maybe 5 year olds should be running for office? sometimes they make more sense than grownups do.
Don't disagree, don't even dispute you may need war to get to peace, but peace does not come from war because the war could continue forever if someone was not sitting down in a room with someone else over a cup of joe figuring out how to stop the war, when enough was enough, etc, Militaries do not give up on their own, they usually are told to stand down by the civil authorities over them.
Dare I type this?
The only time there is peace after a war, is when one side wins over the other, and that's normally done by totally kicking another country's tail, or by negotiating a peace. kissinger was sort of good at negotiating, I think.
take israel for instance, they've been fighting "terroism" for a very long time, and until both sides hammer out an agreement, they will never have peace, without total victory. The US made peace with japan & German Nazi's only after their butts were kicked. the US lost many people, and so did they.
It's a shame grown men just can't sit down at a table with a smoke and a cup of java and talk things out, without having to spill blood. maybe 5 year olds should be running for office? sometimes they make more sense than grownups do.
""sit down at a table with a smoke ""
Yup, maybe if they let the smokers smoke and others lit up cigar , have a drink, they'd all relax , stay longer, and get something done
Support of what terrorism? What? He certainly did not support the man's actions as an 8 year old. He has said that his radical past was despicable. Please show me where Obama has acted in any way against the US based on his education reform work with Ayers. Do you support all the acts of everyone you work with?
The 'he was 8' argument is specious. As an adult Obama knew Ayers' history, his politics and how they have not changed. Obama was a radical in his youth, remains one today, and certainly knew of Ayers and what he represents. It goes to Obama's poor judgement in seeking counsel and approval from a terrorist and also to Obama's utter lack of character that he had to be compelled to make the most tepid of statements crafted so as to make it appear as though Obama condemned Ayers' past. Obama has never called on Ayers to renounce his past, he's just lamely claimed those acts are despicable. That's as far as Obama will go in reprimanding his friend. So yes, Obama implicitly supports terrorism, the use of terrorism as a tool to gain political ends and I have no doubt that if elected he would encourage, hell probably celebrate with high fives and 'you da man', terrorists to act against us here and abroad.
You have a point there, and I'm sort of sorry I mentioned smoking, with all of these politically correct states and cities these days, you can't light up. someday, communism will take hold in the US and we won't even ba able to light up in our cars or homes.
ahhh, just give 'em a 5th.
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Originally Posted by Who?Me?!
""sit down at a table with a smoke ""
Yup, maybe if they let the smokers smoke and others lit up cigar , have a drink, they'd all relax , stay longer, and get something done
In other words, you don't have any. If you did, I am sure you would be delighted to share. The question asks for actions, not innuendo or thoughts. I might think you are an Pomeranian, but that does not make it true.
Here are just a few reasons I would not vote for Obama:
What we can see is that he is in bed with many questionable people. It's rather funny how these characters can come under investigation or indictment and he hands their campaign contributions back to them or dumps them into some charity. Rezko, Nadhmi Auchi and Al Chaib, to name a few. You can check these guys out and go from there. Some he claims he doesn't recall ever meeting, like Auchi, when witnesses, at Rezko's mansion, say Obama and his wife were at a certain dinner in attendance with Auchi.
It is also interesting that David Alexlrod, Obama's chief strategist's mother was a writer for PM, a leftist tabloid newspaper published in NY from 1940-1948. Going by Obama's background it can be understood that they were both raised and mentored by people involved in socialism.
"For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. The Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology." Obama, also, saying his father was raised a Muslim and became an Atheist - he says.
Obama finds his roots in the Luo tribe in Kenya and helps support a guy named, Raila Odinga, who is also a radical leftist politician educated in communist East Germany. Odinga now appears to have allied with radical Muslims in Kenya whose main agenda is to advance the cause of Islam, aggressively, in Africa.
A Kenyan newspaper and television news reports that Odinga, who represents the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) , and Sheikh Abdulla Abdi, the chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF), signed an agreement on August 29, 2007. A "whereas clause" in the agreement appears to recognize "Islam as the only true religion." That gives Sharia law a more stronghold on the Horn of Africa which is already dominating in Somalia and Sudan.
If Obama were to win the White House, he would be the first President NOT to have family on American soil.
What about his Christian faith? In Obama's autobiography he openly tells of reading the black radicals and civil rights figures of the 1960's. He said he found his greatest affinity with Malcolm X.
On joining the United Church of Christ, Obama had to have comprehended that he was joining a church who based it's principles on the black-liberation theology that Rev. Wright embraced and professed. We find that he doesn't ever share that he had an epiphany when he came to Christ. This is what he said after being instructed by leaders that he needed to tie in with a church in order to reach the community.
"That religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world I knew and loved." It seems, IMO, that his decision to become a "Christian" was a choice and not an epiphany.
I could go on about Louis Farrakhan, the Black Muslim and how Obama was in attendance at his Million Man March in Washington, D.C. - saying himself, that he "took time off" to be in attendance.
I'm also concerned about his associations and "hand outs" he can give behind the scenes as he did in Chicago, people he can appoint like, Cynthia K. Miller ( who is a member of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam sect ) and was the Official Treasurer of Obama's U.S. Senate Campaign. Jennifer Mason, whom is also a member of the Nation of Islam. Mason is Obama’s Director of Constituent Services in his U.S. Senate office and is also in charge of selecting Obama’s Senate interns.
I also can see that I don't have to deal with all the socialist, liberal, communist, black-liberation theology with McCain that I have to take with Obama.
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Originally Posted by ZGACK
The 'he was 8' argument is specious. As an adult Obama knew Ayers' history, his politics and how they have not changed. Obama was a radical in his youth, remains one today, and certainly knew of Ayers and what he represents. It goes to Obama's poor judgement in seeking counsel and approval from a terrorist and also to Obama's utter lack of character that he had to be compelled to make the most tepid of statements crafted so as to make it appear as though Obama condemned Ayers' past. Obama has never called on Ayers to renounce his past, he's just lamely claimed those acts are despicable. That's as far as Obama will go in reprimanding his friend. So yes, Obama implicitly supports terrorism, the use of terrorism as a tool to gain political ends and I have no doubt that if elected he would encourage, hell probably celebrate with high fives and 'you da man', terrorists to act against us here and abroad.
While I don't condone Ayers's methods I believe he was 100% correct in opposing the Vietnam War. Looking at the number of criminal convictions against those in the Nixon administration, including his Attorney General, I'd say the allegations made about Ayers are at best questionable and likely at least partly based on lies and fabricated evidence, specialties of the Nixon White House.
Ayers: former terrorist? I say, anti-war activist, sounds better. why should Obama renounce anything, Obama's not his daddy. you're flailing, and comments out of control concerning what Obama might do after elected, very, very poor taste.
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Originally Posted by ZGACK
The 'he was 8' argument is specious. As an adult Obama knew Ayers' history, his politics and how they have not changed. Obama was a radical in his youth, remains one today, and certainly knew of Ayers and what he represents. It goes to Obama's poor judgement in seeking counsel and approval from a terrorist and also to Obama's utter lack of character that he had to be compelled to make the most tepid of statements crafted so as to make it appear as though Obama condemned Ayers' past. Obama has never called on Ayers to renounce his past, he's just lamely claimed those acts are despicable. That's as far as Obama will go in reprimanding his friend. So yes, Obama implicitly supports terrorism, the use of terrorism as a tool to gain political ends and I have no doubt that if elected he would encourage, hell probably celebrate with high fives and 'you da man', terrorists to act against us here and abroad.
The 'he was 8' argument is specious. As an adult Obama knew Ayers' history, his politics and how they have not changed. Obama was a radical in his youth, remains one today, and certainly knew of Ayers and what he represents. It goes to Obama's poor judgement in seeking counsel and approval from a terrorist and also to Obama's utter lack of character that he had to be compelled to make the most tepid of statements crafted so as to make it appear as though Obama condemned Ayers' past. Obama has never called on Ayers to renounce his past, he's just lamely claimed those acts are despicable. That's as far as Obama will go in reprimanding his friend. So yes, Obama implicitly supports terrorism, the use of terrorism as a tool to gain political ends and I have no doubt that if elected he would encourage, hell probably celebrate with high fives and 'you da man', terrorists to act against us here and abroad.
So all the folks who worked on the Annenberg challenge should be brought in as supporters of Terrorism. The Colleges that hire him, the student's that took his class, the people who have bought his books. Based on working with him in unrelated areas, we should assume that all those folks are terrorist supporters. If this is true, and if Sen McCain and Gov Palin have the facts that he is supporting terrorism, then they should be doing more than chatting about it. I still have not heard a single thing that Sen Obama has proposed, done, talked about, that supports this allegation. Nor have I ever heard a single thing that McCain has done based on his relationship with G Gordon Liddie that makes me think he condones bombing, but lots of Republicans seek the counsel and support G Gordon.
And once again, I may think you are a Pomeranian, but that does not make it so.
Unless one is blind, I can see why Obama is the way he is. If it were not for affirmative action legislation, blacks would still be treated as slaves. is this what we want? not.
Obama is black, not muslim, ok.
Blacks are still discriminated against, and unless a person doesn't know this, one would have to have been living in a cave or living a very sheltered life not to know it.
so, with this being said, I think it's ok for Obama to attend as many black rallies or get togethers that he wishes, this IS America ya know.
So what, his daddy was not born on American soil, times change, change with the times, or else.
Sometimes brainwashing people works.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Here are just a few reasons I would not vote for Obama:
What we can see is that he is in bed with many questionable people. It's rather funny how these characters can come under investigation or indictment and he hands their campaign contributions back to them or dumps them into some charity. Rezko, Nadhmi Auchi and Al Chaib, to name a few. You can check these guys out and go from there. Some he claims he doesn't recall ever meeting, like Auchi, when witnesses, at Rezko's mansion, say Obama and his wife were at a certain dinner in attendance with Auchi.
It is also interesting that David Alexlrod, Obama's chief strategist's mother was a writer for PM, a leftist tabloid newspaper published in NY from 1940-1948. Going by Obama's background it can be understood that they were both raised and mentored by people involved in socialism.
"For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. The Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology." Obama, also, saying his father was raised a Muslim and became an Atheist - he says.
Obama finds his roots in the Luo tribe in Kenya and helps support a guy named, Raila Odinga, who is also a radical leftist politician educated in communist East Germany. Odinga now appears to have allied with radical Muslims in Kenya whose main agenda is to advance the cause of Islam, aggressively, in Africa.
A Kenyan newspaper and television news reports that Odinga, who represents the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) , and Sheikh Abdulla Abdi, the chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF), signed an agreement on August 29, 2007. A "whereas clause" in the agreement appears to recognize "Islam as the only true religion." That gives Sharia law a more stronghold on the Horn of Africa which is already dominating in Somalia and Sudan.
If Obama were to win the White House, he would be the first President NOT to have family on American soil.
What about his Christian faith? In Obama's autobiography he openly tells of reading the black radicals and civil rights figures of the 1960's. He said he found his greatest affinity with Malcolm X.
On joining the United Church of Christ, Obama had to have comprehended that he was joining a church who based it's principles on the black-liberation theology that Rev. Wright embraced and professed. We find that he doesn't ever share that he had an epiphany when he came to Christ. This is what he said after being instructed by leaders that he needed to tie in with a church in order to reach the community.
"That religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world I knew and loved." It seems, IMO, that his decision to become a "Christian" was a choice and not an epiphany.
I could go on about Louis Farrakhan, the Black Muslim and how Obama was in attendance at his Million Man March in Washington, D.C. - saying himself, that he "took time off" to be in attendance.
I'm also concerned about his associations and "hand outs" he can give behind the scenes as he did in Chicago, people he can appoint like, Cynthia K. Miller ( who is a member of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam sect ) and was the Official Treasurer of Obama's U.S. Senate Campaign. Jennifer Mason, whom is also a member of the Nation of Islam. Mason is Obama’s Director of Constituent Services in his U.S. Senate office and is also in charge of selecting Obama’s Senate interns.
I also can see that I don't have to deal with all the socialist, liberal, communist, black-liberation theology with McCain that I have to take with Obama.
Unless one is blind, I can see why Obama is the way he is. If it were not for affirmative action legislation, blacks would still be treated as slaves. is this what we want? not.
Obama is black, not muslim, ok.
Blacks are still discriminated against, and unless a person doesn't know this, one would have to have been living in a cave or living a very sheltered life not to know it.
so, with this being said, I think it's ok for Obama to attend as many black rallies or get togethers that he wishes, this IS America ya know.
So what, his daddy was not born on American soil, times change, change with the times, or else.
Sometimes brainwashing people works.
Emotions can never trump facts. Sorry.
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