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I believe he has poor judgment and I believe his past and present associations bear closer scrutiny.[/quote]
My own view is that Dem politicians and Repub politicians are both sides of the same bad coin. Name one who doesn't have associations with questionable people. Having said that; I've sat on boards with people I don't socialize with otherwise. Or, if I do see them we chat but aren't necessarily friends. I am neighbors with all kinds of people. I talk to all kinds of people. I did things in the 70's that I would not do today, omg. Ayer's blew up a toilet in the Pentagon protesting the war. Hundreds of thousands of young people at that time protested, some of them violently. He wasn’t the only one. One person was killed from the actions of the Weather Underground. It is well documented Ayres was not involved in that one. His history is old news. Our country is in so much trouble that this obsession with Ayers who is such a small player baffling and scary. Get over it. I don’t care who you vote for, but vote based on the candidates voting record and his stance on the issues. We can talk all day about Obama associations or McCain’s relationships (Keating, Liddy, His campaign manager, etc.) At the end of the day it is a non productive waste of time. What do you know about either candidate’s records? What bills have they sponsored or vote on. How do they treat the people around them?
Here are just a few reasons I would not vote for Obama:
What we can see is that he is in bed with many questionable people. It's rather funny how these characters can come under investigation or indictment and he hands their campaign contributions back to them or dumps them into some charity. Rezko, Nadhmi Auchi and Al Chaib, to name a few. You can check these guys out and go from there. Some he claims he doesn't recall ever meeting, like Auchi, when witnesses, at Rezko's mansion, say Obama and his wife were at a certain dinner in attendance with Auchi. Are they known terrorists?
It is also interesting that David Alexlrod, Obama's chief strategist's mother was a writer for PM, a leftist tabloid newspaper published in NY from 1940-1948. Going by Obama's background it can be understood that they were both raised and mentored by people involved in socialism. My father was Puritan and my mother a Catholic?Please tell me how my childhood upbringing is in direct correlation to my current thought process?
I have voted for Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 1, Dole, Nader, Kerry, and will vote for Obama.
"For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. The Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology." Obama, also, saying his father was raised a Muslim and became an Atheist - he says.
Obama finds his roots in the Luo tribe in Kenya and helps support a guy named, Raila Odinga, who is also a radical leftist politician educated in communist East Germany. Odinga now appears to have allied with radical Muslims in Kenya whose main agenda is to advance the cause of Islam, aggressively, in Africa. Is he a terrorist or an evangelist?
A Kenyan newspaper and television news reports that Odinga, who represents the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) , and Sheikh Abdulla Abdi, the chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum (NAMLEF), signed an agreement on August 29, 2007. A "whereas clause" in the agreement appears to recognize "Islam as the only true religion." That gives Sharia law a more stronghold on the Horn of Africa which is already dominating in Somalia and Sudan. Is he a terrorist or an evangelist?
If Obama were to win the White House, he would be the first President NOT to have family on American soil. He does have family on American soil unless you consider Hawaii to be a foreign government?
What about his Christian faith? In Obama's autobiography he openly tells of reading the black radicals and civil rights figures of the 1960's. He said he found his greatest affinity with Malcolm X. I read the works of Malcolm X, the speeches of MLK, the writings of radicals in the 60s. I have read Thoreau, Galbraith, Marx, Lenin and Lennon, ha, I have read the works of St Augustine, Adam Smith, Jeremy Bentham, Queen Elizabeth, Margaret Thatcher, have learned about Wiccans, the religous practices of South American tribes, and on on. And all those people brought ideas to the table, some I have kept in mind and others I have passed along the way as part of growing and learning. Is that not normal or should what you do as a 19 year old be the crowing achievement of your life?
On joining the United Church of Christ, Obama had to have comprehended that he was joining a church who based it's principles on the black-liberation theology that Rev. Wright embraced and professed. We find that he doesn't ever share that he had an epiphany when he came to Christ. This is what he said after being instructed by leaders that he needed to tie in with a church in order to reach the community.
"That religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world I knew and loved." It seems, IMO, that his decision to become a "Christian" was a choice and not an epiphany. I have never had an epiphany, I am a cradle Catholic who decides every time I go to church that I want to be there vs somewhere else.
I could go on about Louis Farrakhan, the Black Muslim and how Obama was in attendance at his Million Man March in Washington, D.C. - saying himself, that he "took time off" to be in attendance.
I'm also concerned about his associations and "hand outs" he can give behind the scenes as he did in Chicago, people he can appoint like, Cynthia K. Miller ( who is a member of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam sect ) and was the Official Treasurer of Obama's U.S. Senate Campaign. Jennifer Mason, whom is also a member of the Nation of Islam. Mason is Obama’s Director of Constituent Services in his U.S. Senate office and is also in charge of selecting Obama’s Senate interns.
I also can see that I don't have to deal with all the socialist, liberal, communist, black-liberation theology with McCain that I have to take with Obama.
So you have all very well thought out reasons for not voting for Obama, but not one of them seems to be that he supports terrorism. I don't care why people choose to vote or not vote for a candidate. If you like the color of their tie, whatever, but I am concerned that people are saying that Sen Obama is supporting terrorism and now that Sen McCain is supporting terrorism because they happen to have worked with someone who did. There seems to be no actual acts that point to domestic or foreign terrorism on either of their parts.
If you are asking, at this point, you haven't done your homework. I've already turned mine in.
Yes, because the case is so rock-solid that Obama is done as a Presidential candidate and as a Senator. Send everyone home.
Plus, although Ayers actions back in the 60's were definitely wrong-headed, I don't know if you can call them "anti-American". Maybe anti-authority, anti-military-industrial-complex, anti-war. But if he were anti-American, he probably would have just moved instead of fighting for change.
Obama knew him as a distinguished professor of education at UIC.
And as the person that was given the citizen of the year award in 1997 (?)
He was only 8-9 when Ayers did bad stuff to PROTEST the Vietnam war.
So no direct contact with a terrorist...
Of course the "Rep" rumor machine is churning out new ones fast and furious and those have been proven false.
I report them to watchdog@barackobama.com
And McCain's robocalls are trying to make the connection with Ayers, much to the disgust of a lot of people.. a tactic used against McCain in 2000 by Georgie.. now McCain hired the same firm to try the same hate campaign... he should be running the clean campaign he and Miss Palin said they would be running from now on.. I have lost respect for the man (yet again).
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Originally Posted by Cleanmaxx Brian
VERY good point...
I am from Howard Beach in Queens NY where there are....ummmm...let me say "people who like to make cement shoes" if you know what I mean. Some of my best friends where there and some of those are now doing time! I have never turned to crime...wouldn't even think of it! How could I be made guilty for hanging out with these guys if they were not doing the crime in front of me? It has been years since I have last seen them.
So you claim it is bad judgment...maybe so but it is such a long stretch...this Ayers guy looks like a pretty decent guy now. I would even go as far as he is pretty respected now.
This guilt by association that all of you McCain supporters are hanging your hat on is going to back fire! Want proof? Wait till after Nov 4th. Your guy doesn't have a chance if this is what he is going to waste his last few weeks on!
I was being sarcastic in reply to the previous post (see rolling eyes emoticon).
Sorry, we have had so many people go off topic, I jumped too soon! Mea Culpa! See what happens when we jump to conclusions that are not based on fact!
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" if you know what I mean. Some of my best friends where there and some of those are now doing time! I have never turned to crime...wouldn't even think of it! How could I be made guilty for hanging out with these guys if they were not doing the crime in front of me? It has been years since I have last seen them. 
