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You are the one that is confused. Social security requires contributing to it to draw from it. It is not paid to those that do not contribute. I understand your point about the government redistributing the payments but that is not pure socialism.
socialism says that you contribute to benefit. maybe you are thinking of something else.
According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
It's true that under certain circumstances Medicare will pay the NH bill for a short time if the pt. is hospitalized first. I think it's about 90 days, and the pt. has to be receiving rehab services. Medicare will not pay long term nursing home care. Someone misinformed your patient. I agree it is fraud, as are some other sketchy things I have heard on this forum from staunch Republicans.
It's capped at 100 days. Medicare will pay the first 20 days in full, then the remaining 80 require co-payment either by the person, his family, or secondary insurance. After that, the person or their family are responsible for the entire amount unless the individual qualifies for Medicaid, which won't pay anything until the person's personal resources are basically completely exhausted.
The person referred to in the original post regarding this issue may have expected to die during the time he was there. Maybe he didn't want to lose everything so he could leave it for his family? I couldn't say without knowing his personal situation.
I don't know all of the rules, but I believe there's a cap on benefits, too, and that's why there's a cap on the tax itself. You can't tax folks more after a certain level if you don't increase the benefits, too. Or that would be PURE socialism.
There is NO cap on the benefits. Sorry, but you are mistaken about that.
The person referred to in the original post regarding this issue may have expected to die during the time he was there. Maybe he didn't want to lose everything so he could leave it for his family? I couldn't say without knowing his personal situation.
That's exactly what the patient was planning to do. He was thinking he would die in the nursing home shortly after admission while Medicare was paying for his bill. That way, he wouldn't have to sell his farmland. This man clearly had the assets to pay for his nursing home bill, but he was too greedy to part with his assets. His anti-communist Republican brain told him to sock Medicare and the taxpayers with the bill instead. And he wanted me to assist him in his fraudulent scheme. I saw through the whole charade and refused to cooperate. He ended up looking for another doctor. He died a few months later.
You are the one that is confused. Social security requires contributing to it to draw from it. It is not paid to those that do not contribute. I understand your point about the government redistributing the payments but that is not pure socialism.
Here's a thought experiment for you: suppose current workers stopped working and stopped paying SS taxes. Will current retirees continue to receive their SS checks? Answer: they will not. Current retirees will not get back what they paid into SS because that money is already gone - used up by previous retirees; it was not being saved up for them. Current retirees are being subsidized by current workers. Without the latter, the system will collapse.
That right there explodes the myth you stated that "SS requires contributing to it to draw from it". Fact is, you may contribute to it today, but that doesn't mean you will draw from it 20 years from now if there are no workers at that time who will be paying into the system.
Listen, all I'm asking from you Republicans is to be consistent. Quit the doubletalk. If you criticize Barack Obama for being a socialist, then you should go all the way and campaign for the abolition of SS, Medicare, and Medicaid because these are the programs that Obama's taxes will be used to pay for. And you certainly should stop receiving those SS and Medicare benefits if you think socialism is evil.
Socialism... some work and pay for others who do not and yes we do have welfare and medicaid, but some of us are fairly fed up with those programs and certainly don't want to expand further into even more entitlements that we have to work and pay for.
You are assuming that those on welfare and medicaid have never worked before and have never paid any taxes towards these programs while they were working. You are wrong. Many on welfare and medicaid were previously employed but due to poor health, divorce, or simply being laid off from their jobs were thrown into poverty and ended up on these programs. How different are they from the SS retirees who depend entirely on their SS checks to live? Not much. Like the SS retirees, the welfare and medicaid types previously worked and paid into the system but are now unable to contribute so they depend on the largesse of current workers.
Your attempt to wiggle out of and try to rationalize your inconsistent position is amusing.
What I don't understand is why people don't want to support their own parents or older relatives. I'm proud to work and support my parents by paying into social security. They lived on that, besides a small pension of my father's. Many seniors live on SS alone. Most people are not rich, so most people in this country need some amount of SS.
What's the beef with it? If you're rich enough to give your parents money that you earn, that's great, but most people don't have that ability. So, this is how we help.
Listen, all I'm asking from you Republicans is to be consistent. Quit the doubletalk. If you criticize Barack Obama for being a socialist, then you should go all the way and campaign for the abolition of SS, Medicare, and Medicaid because these are the programs that Obama's taxes will be used to pay for. And you certainly should stop receiving those SS and Medicare benefits if you think socialism is evil
If you are a supporter of McCain and Palin, you must have heard that they abhor socialism. If so, do you believe Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid (i.e. entitlement programs) are manifestations of socialism? If so, shouldn't you be returning your social security checks? Shouldn't you renounce any Medicare and Medicaid benefits you might receive beginning now until you drop dead?
SS, Medicare, and Medicaid comprise the biggest chunk of the federal budget. This is where the bulk of your taxes go. So if you hate taxes and oppose tax increases, it is only logical for you to renounce these programs and fight tooth and nail that they be abolished. But we don't really hear McCain and Palin (and their stooges on this forum) doing that. They attack the abstraction of socialism, but they can't really attack these programs directly because they know they will lose votes in the process.
All they do is posturing. These Republicans criticize Obama for supposedly being a socialist while at the same time they continue to receive their SS checks. Suck the government teat while hypocritically whipping its behind.
Entitlement? You're kidding, right? Have you seen the amounts of the checks? It's more like a bonus given to Americans as a "sorry that you've had to put up with Democrats in power for so long."
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