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Nope, I'm real female. Especially now that I've had some thoughts about a naked Barack! I'm 100% real, too--well, almost. Except for the fake fingernails. But other than that...
I guess some you would consider Thomas Jefferson to be "anti-American" since he firmly believed in the very American concept of self-determination and national renewal.
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Originally Posted by about secession, Thomas Jefferson
In his 1801 First Inaugural Address one of the first things Thomas Jefferson did was to support the right of secession. "If there be any among us who wish to dissolve the Union or to change its republican form," the author of the Declaration of Independence said, "let them stand undisturbed, as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."
In an August 12, 1803 letter to John C. Breckinridge Jefferson addressed the same issue, in light of the New England Federalists’ secession movement in response to his Louisiana Purchase. If there were a "separation" into two confederacies, he wrote, "God bless them both, & keep them in the union if it be for their good, but separate them, if it be better."
I guess some you would consider Thomas Jefferson to be "anti-American" since he firmly believed in the very American concept of self-determination and national renewal.
Interesting to think secession was an issue because people were upset about the Louisiana Purchase.
Ironically, the states that make up the Louisiana Purchase were once scorned as not part of the "real America." Now thats where the GOP thinks you'll find the heart of "real" America.
Jefferson also believed in the institution of slavery,
which in my mind doesn't make him the end all be all of American political philosophers.
Actually that is not true.
He may not have practiced what he preached but Jefferson was anti-slavery.
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Jefferson owned many slaves over his lifetime. Some find it baffling that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves yet was outspoken in saying that slavery was immoral and it should be abolished. Biographers point out that Jefferson was deeply in debt and had encumbered his slaves by notes and mortgages; he chose not to free them until he finally was debt-free, which he never was.[71] Jefferson seems to have suffered pangs and trials of conscience as a result.[72] He wrote about slavery, "We have the wolf by the ears; and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other."[73]
During his long career in public office, Jefferson attempted numerous times to abolish or limit the advance of slavery. He sponsored and encouraged Free-State advocates like James Lemen.[74] According to a biographer, Jefferson "believed that it was the responsibility of the state and society to free all slaves."[75] In 1769, as a member of the House of Burgesses, Jefferson proposed for that body to emancipate slaves in Virginia, but he was unsuccessful.[76] In his first draft of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson condemned the British crown for sponsoring the importation of slavery to the colonies, charging that the crown "has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere." However, this language was dropped from the Declaration at the request of delegates from South Carolina and Georgia.
"You're not real" seems to be the new strategy. In the past few days I've been told that I'm not a real American, I'm not a real Virginian, and I'm not a real Christian. I think the theory is that if they keep trying to pretend I'm not real, that will mean my vote isn't real.
LOL, guess what--in 13 days you will find out my vote is very real, indeed.
Well, I long ago made the decision that no one gets to define who I am. Only I will do that. And the cruel people on this forum that would challenge a person's faith, a person's patriotism, a person's honor based upon who they support for president are not the type of people I would respect enough to give the time of day to, let alone define me. It may not mean much Normie, but I think you are fantastic.
Nope, I'm real female. Especially now that I've had some thoughts about a naked Barack! I'm 100% real, too--well, almost. Except for the fake fingernails. But other than that...
Jefferson also believed in the institution of slavery, which in my mind doesn't make him the end all be all of American political philosophers.
Apparently you don't understand history, but that has been proven over and over again by you.
Jefferson and other founding fathers did believe in equality for ALL men, but one has to understand the times back then. If you ever read, which I know you haven't, some of Jefferson's own writings and letters than you would realize that he did, indeed, believe in abolishing owning slaves. The problem? It is called "peer pressure". Do try to think before showing us how little you know and understand about the history of this country and the founding fathers.
He looks better in a suit than Papa Smurf, that's for dang sure.
The point of the Emperor's New Clothes, apparently lost on you, was that the general public was dupped into believing the Emperor was apparently wearing the finest clothes in all the land when, he was not wearing any clothes at all. A perfect Obama analogy.
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The point of the Emperor's New Clothes, apparently lost on you, was that the general public was dupped into believing the Emperor was apparently wearing the finest clothes in all the land when, he was not wearing any clothes at all. A perfect Obama analogy.
