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They have achieved being granted the permission to take their companies overseas to avoid taxation here. The have achieved using slave labor where the mere mention of unions is a crime. They have achieved socilaizing the losses after using Wall Street as a casino. They have achieved lying us into an illegal occupation that has cost our treasury billions of dollars that could have been put to very good use right here in the USA. They have achieved masterfully denying global warming and not giving incentives to the energy innovations that would get us out of the stranglehold that big oil has us in. This is not even close to a complete list of their achieivments.
your poor education is really uneventful. why don't you leave the grown up talk to the big people.
They have achieved being granted the permission to take their companies overseas to avoid taxation here. The have achieved using slave labor where the mere mention of unions is a crime. They have achieved socilaizing the losses after using Wall Street as a casino. They have achieved lying us into an illegal occupation that has cost our treasury billions of dollars that could have been put to very good use right here in the USA. They have achieved masterfully denying global warming and not giving incentives to the energy innovations that would get us out of the stranglehold that big oil has us in. This is not even close to a complete list of their achieivments.
This is just too funny, nice try at the spin machine. How 'bout some facts now.
1. Neither party has done anything about energy independence or reigning in big oil. Even when the dem darling Clinton was in office with the self proclaimed environmentalist Al Gore as VP what was done? NOTHING.
2. Neither party over the last 20 years (until very recently) has said much of anything about global warming and if it does exist (the jury's still out on that) the U.S. is not totally at fault if at all so it's a non point. Btw we're supposed to have to shovel global warming ooops I mean snow next week...
3.Both parties signed off on the bailout socializing the losses but it was Franks and Dodd that pushed Freddie and Fanny to do loser loans. The thing that concerns me is why the government warned the banks 2 days before lehman went under but didn't bother to tell the public.
4. I won't even bother with the supposed "illegal occupation" and lying, it's been done to death and is a non starter.
5.Both parties allowed companies to shift overseas, this didn't just pop up in the last 8 years, this has been going on for quite a while.
You see what you're missing is most of these problems started many years ago and have gone through several election cycles and we've allowed it to continue by re-electing the incumbents every time. It may make you feeeeel better to blame one party or the other but both have had a hand in this at different times.
for the people who have a hard time figuring things out, here is a simple explanation:
bush in office for 8 years
republicans in charge of house and senate for 6 years
democrats in charge of house and senate for the last 2 years
the house and senate write all of the bills and the president signs or vetoes.
the democrats have had the majority to pass or fail any bill in the last 2 years written by any member of congress, not to mention that the bailout bills were all signed by democrats, (look it up) dodd, rangel, and patrick kennedy. the democratic congress could have overridden the bailout bills, but instead chose to revisit the issue when it was voted down the first time. as nancy pelosi said, "we will get the bailout passed one way or another". the last 2 years the democratic congress has been on a spending spree and americans need for this to stop! we now have a new chrysler bailout in the works, the homeowner bailout ahead, the rest of the economic bailout, etc.
This is just too funny, nice try at the spin machine. How 'bout some facts now.
1. Neither party has done anything about energy independence or reigning in big oil. Even when the dem darling Clinton was in office with the self proclaimed environmentalist Al Gore as VP what was done? NOTHING.
2. Neither party over the last 20 years (until very recently) has said much of anything about global warming and if it does exist (the jury's still out on that) the U.S. is not totally at fault if at all so it's a non point. Btw we're supposed to have to shovel global warming ooops I mean snow next week...
3.Both parties signed off on the bailout socializing the losses but it was Franks and Dodd that pushed Freddie and Fanny to do loser loans. The thing that concerns me is why the government warned the banks 2 days before lehman went under but didn't bother to tell the public.
4. I won't even bother with the supposed "illegal occupation" and lying, it's been done to death and is a non starter.
5.Both parties allowed companies to shift overseas, this didn't just pop up in the last 8 years, this has been going on for quite a while.
You see what you're missing is most of these problems started many years ago and have gone through several election cycles and we've allowed it to continue by re-electing the incumbents every time. It may make you feeeeel better to blame one party or the other but both have had a hand in this at different times.
Getting past the blame aspect, who is more likely to continue down this same path? John ( drill baby drill, tax our health benefits, continue Bush's tax breaks for the top 1% of earners, stay in Iraq for 100 years, our economy is fundamentally strong) McCain!
Getting past the blame aspect, who is more likely to continue down this same path? John ( drill baby drill, tax our health benefits, continue Bush's tax breaks for the top 1% of earners, stay in Iraq for 100 years, our economy is fundamentally strong) McCain!
Stop the bus. I want to get off.
They will both drill, there's no way past that at this point if we want to slow down paying out to the middle east.
As for McCain or Obama neither one has put out real good plans as far as I'm concerned. I don't want people's money taken from them and handed totally to the upside or downside and am in favor of the fair tax plan.
That being said I have a question for you, if you were going to pass out money who would you think would be better to pass it out to? People who earned it and when they get it tend to spend it growing their business and employing people or to people who didn't earn it for various reasons and when they get it spend it on everything from big tv's to booze?
I believe both groups need to be addressed and neither canidate has done so. The way I see it McCain wants to keep up with close to the same old same old which while tiresome and not really very fair will most likely not send us into a depression.
Obama on the other hand seems to have a stated goal of playing Robin Hood shoveling money to people who haven't and never will earn it which isn't really fair either. The problem is in this economy if he does what he's planning it will most likely have bad results for all of us.
Are there people who need help? Certainly!
Is it everybody below the xxx dollar line? No it isn't. I know families who are making about $35k combined who are doing ok, are pretty much happy but if you handed them a chunk of $$ would buy another toy or blow it some other way. Do we have the right to tell them how to spend it once they get it? No we don't so how do we have the right to tell people who make over $150k they now have to give away a big chunk of theirs?
The problem is where do you draw the line? Rich is a relative term as y'all are finding out with the moving Obama/Biden numbers, to someone who makes $30k a year I'd bet it's someone making $80k and to that person it's someone making $150k and so on all the way up and down the line.
They have achieved being granted the permission to take their companies overseas to avoid taxation here. The have achieved using slave labor where the mere mention of unions is a crime. They have achieved socilaizing the losses after using Wall Street as a casino. They have achieved lying us into an illegal occupation that has cost our treasury billions of dollars that could have been put to very good use right here in the USA. They have achieved masterfully denying global warming and not giving incentives to the energy innovations that would get us out of the stranglehold that big oil has us in. This is not even close to a complete list of their achieivments.
That's a pretty good summation of Bush's 'achievements'. I would like to add the fact that Bush spent 6 trillion, added to the debt, and has absolutely nothing to show for it except a destroyed American economy, thousands of dead Americans and Iraqis, and NO Bin Laden.
They have achieved being granted the permission to take their companies overseas to avoid taxation here. The have achieved using slave labor where the mere mention of unions is a crime. They have achieved socilaizing the losses after using Wall Street as a casino. They have achieved lying us into an illegal occupation that has cost our treasury billions of dollars that could have been put to very good use right here in the USA. They have achieved masterfully denying global warming and not giving incentives to the energy innovations that would get us out of the stranglehold that big oil has us in. This is not even close to a complete list of their achieivments.
Ok my husband and I HAVE achieved. We do NOT own a business, we both went to school, got an education, and he now works for a company that pays he well because he worked his ass off to get a Masters degree while working full time. This is NOT just about companies. There are many people that make $250,000 or more that do not own businesses but work for those businesses. So your assumption is at best uneducated at worst just hateful jealiously.
It is greatly oversimplified, of course, but the basic difference between the core of
the Republican Party vs the Democratic Party is "which is your higher priority":
(1) to support the GREEDY at the top (and phony paternalistic altruism aka "trickle down economics")?
(2) to support the larger number of NEEDY at the bottom and the middle?
Why don't the "needy" get off their asses, get an education and get a freakin job.
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