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Old 10-26-2008, 10:39 AM
 
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McCain is not responsible for the demise of the Republican Party. Had he not brought so many Bush associates on board to salvage his campaign he could have truly run as the anti Republican Republican. He was the right candidate at the wrong time of their own personal life and at the wrong time for the party they were affiliated with. If McCain had won the nomination and the election in 2000, would the nation and the party be in the state it is now? This is not the McCain of 2000 and the Republican Party of today is not the party of Reagan.
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Old 10-26-2008, 10:43 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Don't believe the news that McCAIN has an awful campaign!!!!!
There are many LIBERAL plants in McCAIN's campaign that are making his campaign look bad.

Just read and look at the news!!!!
Why would a TRUSTED McCAIN adviser go to CNN and complain about the MCCAIN??????? That person is a TRAITOR!!! That person is NOT a MCCAIN supporter.

Why would a TRUSTED McCAIN campaign staff go to the MEDIA and complain about Palin????!!!!!! That person is ANOTHER TRAITOR!!!!
That person is NOT a PALIN supporter.

When you volunteer and campaign for MCCAIN and PALIN, that MEANS that you BELIEVE in them!!!!! You believe in what they stand for!!!!!!
You can be trusted to help them win this ELECTION.

This people who are supposedly from the McCAIN camp badmouthing McCAIN/PALIN are NOT REAL supporters. They are traitors who are OUT there for the SOLE purpose of making the MCCAIN/PALIN look bad. They plant themselves in the campaign for the sole purpose of sabotaging McCAIN and PALIN.
Gee, you sound JUST like the BUSH Administration.
All those former high-profile members of Bush's Staff that have abandoned Bush and complained about how he has mismanaged everything from Iraq to the Economy" were ALLLLLLLL obviously simply "Democratic Plants" (even though Bush has known most of them for decades).

LOL

Again, denials of ANY responsibility from the "Party of Personal Responsibility".

What a Joke!

Ken

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Old 10-26-2008, 10:46 AM
 
Location: DC Area, for now
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There are a lot of reasons for the Republicans fate right now in this election, one could argue that it has is in fact been a perfect storm against them, and FOR the democrats. The economy, the media, the first black man, etc.....
However the lions share of the blame must rest soley on the shoulders of President Bush and the Republican leaders in Congress, who when they had control, lost their way and joined the Democrat party, now people are faced with the choice of imposters or the real thing! If I werent so fearfull of the long term damage that the left will do to this country, I would welcome a purging of the Republican party like we had in 94.
The twisted excuses are amazing. When your guy wins and makes a mess of the whole country, it is the Dems fault. When the Dems get a bare majority and fail to stop filibusters it is still their fault. No, we are reaping the rewards of a bankrupt political party, philosophy, and corruption like we haven't seen since Taft. It looks like most people in the US are finally waking up from the long kool-aid nap and seeing what the Repubs have really done.
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Old 10-26-2008, 10:50 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ShoppingCartLaw View Post
Don't believe the news that McCAIN has an awful campaign!!!!!
There are many LIBERAL plants in McCAIN's campaign that are making his campaign look bad.

Just read and look at the news!!!!
Why would a TRUSTED McCAIN adviser go to CNN and complain about the MCCAIN??????? That person is a TRAITOR!!! That person is NOT a MCCAIN supporter.

Why would a TRUSTED McCAIN campaign staff go to the MEDIA and complain about Palin????!!!!!! That person is ANOTHER TRAITOR!!!!
That person is NOT a PALIN supporter.

When you volunteer and campaign for MCCAIN and PALIN, that MEANS that you BELIEVE in them!!!!! You believe in what they stand for!!!!!!
You can be trusted to help them win this ELECTION.

This people who are supposedly from the McCAIN camp badmouthing McCAIN/PALIN are NOT REAL supporters. They are traitors who are OUT there for the SOLE purpose of making the MCCAIN/PALIN look bad. They plant themselves in the campaign for the sole purpose of sabotaging McCAIN and PALIN.
Greed and ambition and the rats abandoning the ship. Republican rats.
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Old 10-26-2008, 10:51 AM
 
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The twisted excuses are amazing. When your guy wins and makes a mess of the whole country, it is the Dems fault. When the Dems get a bare majority and fail to stop filibusters it is still their fault. No, we are reaping the rewards of a bankrupt political party, philosophy, and corruption like we haven't seen since Taft. It looks like most people in the US are finally waking up from the long kool-aid nap and seeing what the Repubs have really done.
Don't waste your time trying to figure it out - many people are blindly pro-Republican or pro-Democrat today - kind of scary actually - because putting the party above the state is not much different than Soviet Communism.

Hopefully Obama can heal this nation as no president since Lincoln... Obama doesn't think in terms of Red or Blue states - something that Bush and Rove made a science of... He regards us all as Americans - and if anyone can get us pulling together and to reduce the level of partisan histeria that rules today, it is surely Obama..
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Old 10-26-2008, 10:55 AM
 
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Republicans and conservatives need read this and then consider how to remake the party going forward with these principles in mind:

http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html (broken link)
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Old 10-26-2008, 10:57 AM
 
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The twisted excuses are amazing. When your guy wins and makes a mess of the whole country, it is the Dems fault. When the Dems get a bare majority and fail to stop filibusters it is still their fault. No, we are reaping the rewards of a bankrupt political party, philosophy, and corruption like we haven't seen since Taft. It looks like most people in the US are finally waking up from the long kool-aid nap and seeing what the Repubs have really done.
There was no excuse in my post, the reason republicans are in this mess is clear, they no longer acted like conservatives and instead went on a spending spree, in the name of reaching across the aisle, to only have their hand bitten off and their own party not recognize them anymore!
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Old 10-26-2008, 11:01 AM
 
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From a former speech writer and special assistant to Bush:

"McCain's awful campaign is having awful consequences down the ballot. I spoke a little while ago to a senior Republican House member. 'There is not a safe Republican seat in the country,' he warned. 'I don't mean that we're going to lose all of them. But we could lose any of them.'
I agree whole-heartedly. But it's not just McCain's campaign tactics (which are pretty bad - lying, going super-negative, not talking about real issues). Don't underestimate the payback for the Bush years.

I used to vote the Republican party line - up until Bush I that is - when I voted for Ross Perot in '92. Due largely to Bush II's abomination of a presidency, I can't imagine myself voting Republican again in my lifetime. Lots of former Republicans feel like me.

Bush/McCain and the other Republicans in Congress have given us a broken economy, a decreasing standard of living for all but the top 2-3%, an $11.3 and rapidly rising national debt, and a nation that is pitted Blue against Red...
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Old 10-26-2008, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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McCain has little to do with the sinking ship of the RNC, you can ble Bush for that. While he entered the office a fiscal conservative, he leaves as a liberal. He has allowed the Congress to blame him for problems that they caused, and he has encouraged and supported the biggest governmental takeover/bailout of businesses since Cuba became Communist.

Unfortunately for McCain, he's tied up in the stockade of the ship, unable to fend for himself. Poeples attitudes are, Wall Street got a bailout, where is theirs, which plays right into the hands of the, give me america that we live in today.

If anything, 2 years of total Democratic control will revitalize the Republican party to get their acts together like they did under Clinon. Until then, its a crabs getting out of a barrel mentality for all Americans who fail to understand that bailouts and socialism is wrong.
Wow, a republican finally placing some blame on Bush. That's impressive! However, anyone who continues to deny the fact that McCain made many a blunder during his campaign, the worst being Palin, is living in dreamland.

Wake up, I'll put the coffee on.
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Old 10-26-2008, 11:15 AM
 
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The Republican party desperatly needs to be "remade"! The takeover of the party by the religious right has been a disaster of enormous proportion, and is, in my opinion, the main reason that we now find ourselves with such a partisian political climate
I'd like to see the religious right cast adrift on their own island--far from civilization so they wouldn't have to pollute this country anymore with their twisted agenda.
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