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The conservatives have made "liberal" a bad word
They use fear A LOT to sway peoples' opinions
They are very good at convincing people to vote on social issues versus economic issues
They are also very good at getting people to vote against their own interests
The wealthy ones have convinced many that if we protect the monies of the wealthy, that they will spend more money and invigorate the economy and that will benefit all of us. What they don't tell you is that many of them are wealthy regardless of the present administration and they will always have enough money to maintain their current lifestyles.
I have said this before and I'll say it again - I know some wealthy people. Business owners, high level executives, etc. Whether the President was Carter or Reagan, they always had huge homes, 2nd homes, expensive cars, numerous vacations, etc. etc. They are wealthy because at some point, they earned significant money and invested it well. They have experts invest it for them. They know loop holes and they are very good at investing. They may lose $100k in the stock market, but it's money that they can easily afford to lose.
Sure, the wealthy are our bosses. They may own the companies that we work for. But if their profits are down 5% one year, they can choose to cut back and go on 3 trips this year instead of 4. But they're thinking is why should they? They worked hard to get where they are. So instead, they lay 4 employees off. Those employees can go on unemployment and "society" can foot the bill.
If the golden parachutes of CEO's and the recent spa vacation of AIG executives wasn't enough to prove this point, I don't know what will. Companies can go to ****, but the CEO's always get rewarded. Maybe instead of a $10 mil salary, they get a tad less.
Sean Hannity will accuse anyone that does not buy trickle down economics 100% as a socialist. He says stupid crap that if we want to pay more taxes, we can always write check to the IRS and donate more taxes. He claims that businesses are hurting. Sure they're hurting. Is it because all of us middle class are overpaid? He himself has said that most corporations don't even pay much tax.
Companies are struggling now because people are freaking out and are afraid to spend and everyone is cutting back and selling their stocks like crazy. The people WITH money are buying stocks like crazy because they have the money to burn. They are buying real estate as investments and getting by just fine. And good for them.
McCain is all up in arms about the capital gains tax. 50% or more of the people he's preaching that to don't even own stocks! Many Americans still don't even contribute to an IRA or 401k! They should, but they don't.
I have a relative that owns 2 homes and if it weren't for another relative giving her money each month, she'd foreclose on one. She is retired and gets $1200 a month on Social Security. Without that, she'd have no income. But somehow, the Republicans have convinced her that Social Security should be abolished and people should put money away for their retirement. Like she did! (sarcastic). She also thinks we should all buy our own health insurance. She's on Medicare and has health issues. If she had to buy her own insurance, she could not afford it. This is the irony of the conservatives. They are great at getting people to vote against their best interests.
Hannity is an idiot. It is amazing that he can make such a good living spouting half-truths and mis-leading people who are willing to take his word as gospel. Just once, just listen to him and then take a little time to research what he is talking about (no, don't use fox.com) and you will understand what he does. Issues are almost always more complex than his analysis, and the opposing view is not always ridiculous. Don't trust the babbling head--find out for yourself. It is not black or white, ever.
The conservatives have made "liberal" a bad word
They use fear A LOT to sway peoples' opinions
They are very good at convincing people to vote on social issues versus economic issues
They are also very good at getting people to vote against their own interests
The wealthy ones have convinced many that if we protect the monies of the wealthy, that they will spend more money and invigorate the economy and that will benefit all of us. What they don't tell you is that many of them are wealthy regardless of the present administration and they will always have enough money to maintain their current lifestyles.
They are great at getting people to vote against their best interests.
It's the old Horation Algiers syndrome, where people delude themselves into thinking that one day they too will workup the ladder and become wealthy, and they will want to keep their money. In the meantime, I'll vote against my current situation.
Wake up people, most of us will never make it. You will never win the lottery or invent the Pet-Rock. You will not live the life of the Rich and Famous. What we can and usually do have is the ability to work and live a decent life. Asking the 'richer' Americans to pay the same amount of taxes that were paid before Bush's tax cuts, will not bring the country down. None of the people making over $250K/year will suddenly decide that they would rather be homeless and quit trying to earn money.
I hear the same types of arguments about the poor taking advantage of the emergency rooms for their primary health care. So, I challenge them to drop their insurance coverage (think of the money that you will save) and use the same way to get their health care. No takers yet.
Finally, the issue of the dreaded "Death Tax." Republicans have done a great job with that label and the public is very close to abolishing the tax, thinking that they don't want to have the government take a piece of their pie when grandma kicks off. The truth is that most of us will not get an inheritance of $5M or more, which is the proposed cut off. That means there is no tax on any thing less than $5M. If you were as unfortunate as to get a $5M and 1 dollar inheritance; then you would have to pay tax on $1. Of course, the Death Tax really sucks if you are planning to get a $500M or more inheritance. Those poor, poor little rich kids. Paris Hilton and her friends really need to keep Daddy's money.
In the meanwhile, guess who's tax dollars are being used pay the bills (and the loss of the income stream)--Yours plus a large chunk being passed on to future tax payers in the form of the National debt which just crossed over $10 trillion dollars. The annual total Federal Tax collection from all sources in 2007 was around $2.6 trillion. That means that the Federal government needs to stop spending for four years to zero the debt. Don't belive me, go and look up the Federal Budget and deficit. Then, correlate the growth/reduction of the deficit with the Party in the Executive Office since 1970. Tell me what you find out about which party is fiscally conservative, and budget balancers. I think you will be surprised.
The conservatives have made "liberal" a bad word
They use fear A LOT to sway peoples' opinions
They are very good at convincing people to vote on social issues versus economic issues
They are also very good at getting people to vote against their own interests
The wealthy ones have convinced many that if we protect the monies of the wealthy, that they will spend more money and invigorate the economy and that will benefit all of us. What they don't tell you is that many of them are wealthy regardless of the present administration and they will always have enough money to maintain their current lifestyles.
I have said this before and I'll say it again - I know some wealthy people. Business owners, high level executives, etc. Whether the President was Carter or Reagan, they always had huge homes, 2nd homes, expensive cars, numerous vacations, etc. etc. They are wealthy because at some point, they earned significant money and invested it well. They have experts invest it for them. They know loop holes and they are very good at investing. They may lose $100k in the stock market, but it's money that they can easily afford to lose.
Sure, the wealthy are our bosses. They may own the companies that we work for. But if their profits are down 5% one year, they can choose to cut back and go on 3 trips this year instead of 4. But they're thinking is why should they? They worked hard to get where they are. So instead, they lay 4 employees off. Those employees can go on unemployment and "society" can foot the bill.
If the golden parachutes of CEO's and the recent spa vacation of AIG executives wasn't enough to prove this point, I don't know what will. Companies can go to ****, but the CEO's always get rewarded. Maybe instead of a $10 mil salary, they get a tad less.
Sean Hannity will accuse anyone that does not buy trickle down economics 100% as a socialist. He says stupid crap that if we want to pay more taxes, we can always write check to the IRS and donate more taxes. He claims that businesses are hurting. Sure they're hurting. Is it because all of us middle class are overpaid? He himself has said that most corporations don't even pay much tax.
Companies are struggling now because people are freaking out and are afraid to spend and everyone is cutting back and selling their stocks like crazy. The people WITH money are buying stocks like crazy because they have the money to burn. They are buying real estate as investments and getting by just fine. And good for them.
McCain is all up in arms about the capital gains tax. 50% or more of the people he's preaching that to don't even own stocks! Many Americans still don't even contribute to an IRA or 401k! They should, but they don't.
I have a relative that owns 2 homes and if it weren't for another relative giving her money each month, she'd foreclose on one. She is retired and gets $1200 a month on Social Security. Without that, she'd have no income. But somehow, the Republicans have convinced her that Social Security should be abolished and people should put money away for their retirement. Like she did! (sarcastic). She also thinks we should all buy our own health insurance. She's on Medicare and has health issues. If she had to buy her own insurance, she could not afford it. This is the irony of the conservatives. They are great at getting people to vote against their best interests.
Thank you for making some points without being nasty or making up silly names for candidates or calling another poster something insulting. I appreciate that greatly.
However I am missing something in your post. I do not see how a leftist government that you obviously support is the answer to the problems you present in your posts. How does the federal government run anything prudently without multiple layers of government and great waste of taxpayer dollars? What is being proposed to fix any of these ills other than more and more and more taxpayer money being thrown at it?
Name me one thing the federal government runs as efficiently as private business does. Schools? NO. The IRS? NO. Health Care? NO. Social Security? NO. Anything? The Military would probably be the best run of all the things federal government runs and we all know there is massive amounts of wasted dollars in the military as well.
Republicans are in trouble in this election because they did not run the government in a fiscally conservative way. Even outside the spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and not making a positive or negative statement on that, except that Dems and Reps were near unanimous in support for Bush to go to war.... but then others changed their minds.... but that was the election four years ago) this current government, and when I mean government, I am blaming both a Republican white house and a democratic congress.... They both have governed fiscally left of center and I blame them both for the mess this current economy is in.
A fiscally conservative government is the way out of this mess. The current government HAS NOT governed conservatively. Yet the masses will vote for CHANGE and the change is a hard, jolting turn to the left. No matter how it is sliced up, all the grand beautiful promises cost MONEY, MONEY, MONEY! And where is the money going to come from? From us!
Anybody who believes this absolute bald faced lie that only those above a certain 6 digit income (that exact number shifts depending on which one of the candidates is talking to whom at what time) will not dip down into the ranks of the 5 digit incomes that the majority of us make, has got their head in the sand. And when your head is in the sand, what is up in the air?
Glib talking, Hollywood endorsed, pie in the sky talk has got this nation hypnotized. The current economic situation is to blame. The current government is to blame as well. That so many want to take it out totally on the Republicans (and their is validity in this as the current president has dissappointed the many conservatives that voted him in) is a narrow minded view. Democratic do notingness in congress just as much to blame. And for the democrats to offer up for us as their candidate of choice one of their furthest to the left candidates solely because he spoke well at a convention four years ago and looks good (I mean this with all sincerity and no nastiness, but what else has the man done to prove himself at all except sound good on TV? Really, no disrespect to the man, but what in the name of all reason has this man ever accomplished? Seriously, no one has answered this,) I am shocked and dismayed that so many Americans are buying this as the answer to all our ills.
Change is needed, yes. Perhaps the Republicans need to suffer and clean house and let true conservatives rise up that will govern in a fiscally prudent manner, will work hard to dismantle a woefully ineffecient bureacratically bombastic beast of a federal government and allow this country to do what it does best: Allow people to earn a living with an entreprenurial spirit freed from big brother.
This country is, always has been and always will be a Center-Right country. It is about to make a hard jolt to the left. After the dust settles and the journalists and hollywood types finish preening, the hard core realities will settle in. In 2010 and 2012 the true Center-Right heart of America will rise up again and get us back where we need to be. If it makes this hard turn to the left and stays there, woe on you and me.
Thank you for making some points without being nasty or making up silly names for candidates or calling another poster something insulting. I appreciate that greatly.
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Originally Posted by Saintmarks
Anybody who believes ... has got their head in the sand. And when your head is in the sand, what is up in the air?
Come on now, practice it or don't preach it.
The rest of your post I adore though.
You hit the nail on the head. My husband and I are both military vets who used to be moderate Repubs. We changed though, slowly over the past ten years. More accurately, the party changed, and we were left standing here scratching our heads.
I would agree with you, Saintmarks, but what damage will he have wrought in the meantime? I'm referring to changes that are unalterable. Worse yet, what if his ineptitude in the area of foreign policy, causes some catastophic event? And I think that instances of domestic terrorism will go up, the kind we saw during the Clinton Administration - Ruby Ridge, Waco TX, Oklahoma city,etc. It's a knee-jerk, violent reaction against big, liberal govt. and Obama's administration will be even bigger/more liberal than Clinton's.
You hit the nail on the head. My husband and I are both military vets who used to be moderate Repubs. We changed though, slowly over the past ten years. More accurately, the party changed, and we were left standing here scratching our heads.
All said to a very generic, nameless, faceless, Joe the Voter, not to anyone in particular. However the more I wrote, the more ire I felt rising up. I was pounding the keyboard with an intensity that shocked me. See some typos toward the end, lol.
All said to a very generic, nameless, faceless, Joe the Voter, not to anyone in particular. However the more I wrote, the more ire I felt rising up. I was pounding the keyboard with an intensity that shocked me. See some typos toward the end, lol.
Thanks for the nice comments.
True, it was generic, so I withdraw my admonition (which was a bit tongue-in-cheek).
I haven't pounded my keyboard yet (not sure is you were serious about that anyway) but I have called my daughter and ranted in her ear a couple of times.
I would agree with you, Saintmarks, but what damage will he have wrought in the meantime? I'm referring to changes that are unalterable. Worse yet, what if his ineptitude in the area of foreign policy, causes some catastophic event? And I think that instances of domestic terrorism will go up, the kind we saw during the Clinton Administration - Ruby Ridge, Waco TX, Oklahoma city,etc. It's a knee-jerk, violent reaction against big, liberal govt. and Obama's administration will be even bigger/more liberal than Clinton's.
Oh, Gosh, believe me, I don't want this change, absolutely not and would plead with those that are being swept in by the rhetoric to take a seriously look at the consequences of what lies underneath the sugar coating. It is a nasty, bitter pill.
Someone earlier talked about European countries that are socialist and how wonderful everything is there. They forget that it was this country that freed that whole continent from Nazism with the blood of thousands upon thousands of our men and women. They forget that it was this country that speared the stand against communism and fought it on several fronts and saw it to its downfall.
For small European countries to enjoy their socialistic lifestyles, it requires a Center-Right America that will sign them up in NATO and protect their borders. It takes an America that spends vast sums in defense to keep their lands free. If America goes socialist like they, then they will once again fall to dictatorial powers from any number of sources, from without and within.
My only hope is prayer and trust that God is in control. I have to constantly remind myself in this and not get too worked up. And the government shall be upon his shoulder......
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