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Old 11-07-2008, 04:26 PM
 
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You DO realize, don't you, that a university education rises substantially each year, banks are now getting out of the business of student loans and such loans are harder to find, the Pell Grant hasn't been increased in a long time, the Stafford Loan doesn't make much of a dent in the actual cost of tuition and fees and that students are going to have to work a lot more hours than previously?

My son is in college and struggles to get by keeping up with school and work. He had mono last semester from being very run-down.
Yep, same thing here. I have 3 kids in college and they all struggle to work enough to pay their bills (they are going to school with a combination of student loans, parent help and their own jobs) and still have enough time to study and get good grades. If they are required to do community service that's 2 more hours they have to squeeze into their week. My oldest works Wednesday, Friday and Saturday nights from about 4:00 p.m. till 2:00 a.m. It's at a restaurant/brewery where she used to waitress but now is old enough to bartend and that's where she can make the money and that way she can work 3 days instead of 5 or 6. But she works on Wednesay, gets off at 2, and has class at 8 a.m. Thursday. She works every Friday and Saturday night till 2 a.m. so she has no weekend to hang out with friends and just be a college student. She has classes till about 1 every day. The classes she is taking now require a lot of reading. When she's not working or in class, she is studying.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Someone needs to tell Obama that those who DON'T get minority scholarships and benefit from affirmative action need to WORK while attending school to be able to afford it. Volunteering is great but it's a luxury when students don't have rich parents to pay their bills.
Lol...this is incredible...minority scholarships, affirmative action and rich parents, who's left? Let me guess, the kids who have to work for their education or the kids who had to work for their scholarships? Odd thing about those scholarship kids, they excelled in school and civic leadership and were rewarded by folks who fund excellence...thank goodness they had parents who knew enough to teach them the value of good hard work vs. whining about how the system was rewarding everyone else while trying to beat them down and hold them back....

Volunteering is a luxury? For who? Volunteering coincides with help, and helping someone is better than the finest chocolate for the heart and soul.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:30 PM
 
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Then I'm sure you, too, are glad that we will have an administration in the White House who wants to help with all that in any way he can (given the fact that if he helps TOO much, there will be screaming that our taxes are too high...it's not an easy situation to win, it would seem). What was your candidate going to do to help alleviate the cost of education for your children?
No, I am not glad. Because that $4000 a year isn't going to make a dent when the coast of attendance is about $19,000. They are still going to have to take out student loans and work. That is the point I am making.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:31 PM
 
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Lol...this is incredible...minority scholarships, affirmative action and rich parents, who's left? Let me guess, the kids who have to work for their education or the kids who had to work for their scholarships? Odd thing about those scholarship kids, they excelled in school and civic leadership and were rewarded by folks who fund excellence...thank goodness they had parents who knew enough to teach them the value of good hard work vs. whining about how the system was rewarding everyone else while trying to beat them down and hold them back....

Volunteering is a luxury? For who? Volunteering coincides with help, and helping someone is better than the finest chocolate for the heart and soul.
Oh wow, what a beautiful sentiment, Walidm.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:33 PM
 
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Lol...this is incredible...minority scholarships, affirmative action and rich parents, who's left? Let me guess, the kids who have to work for their education or the kids who had to work for their scholarships? Odd thing about those scholarship kids, they excelled in school and civic leadership and were rewarded by folks who fund excellence...thank goodness they had parents who knew enough to teach them the value of good hard work vs. whining about how the system was rewarding everyone else while trying to beat them down and hold them back....

Volunteering is a luxury? For who? Volunteering coincides with help, and helping someone is better than the finest chocolate for the heart and soul.
Then why not have the welfare recipients do the volunteering while the kids concentrate on school so they don't end up welfare recipients?
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:33 PM
 
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No, I am not glad. Because that $4000 a year isn't going to make a dent when the coast of attendance is about $19,000. They are still going to have to take out student loans and work. That is the point I am making.
Well it will be $15,000.00 That's a sizable dent.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:35 PM
 
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No, I am not glad. Because that $4000 a year isn't going to make a dent when the coast of attendance is about $19,000. They are still going to have to take out student loans and work. That is the point I am making.
So you would rather have nothing at all than $4000? That's the point I'm making.

And you don't think two hours a week of community service is worth $4000 over the course of a year? At 100 hours, that's forty bucks an a hour. Hell, I'd take it! Any student could easily work two hours less a week, use those two hours for the community service and be making several times and then some as much as he or she is making at his or her part-time job.

As a matter of fact, vs. a, say, $10-an-hour job, the student could work a couple hours a week less in exchange for those two hours a week of community service, be resting more, obviously, and still be making the same total amount of money.

Yes, they will still have to be taking out student loans and possibly working. Were you hoping for completely free college educations?
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:36 PM
 
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Then why not have the welfare recipients do the volunteering while the kids concentrate on school so they don't end up welfare recipients?
They're in school, why would they end up on welfare? Not studying? Planning on dropping out? Most folks who attend an institution of higher learning do so to further themselves.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:38 PM
 
Location: The Coldest Place
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Some people will whine about anything.

It's time to just start ignoring them into irrelevance.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:40 PM
 
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Then why not have the welfare recipients do the volunteering while the kids concentrate on school so they don't end up welfare recipients?
That's not a bad idea either. Why not have people who receive assistance do community service? Even differently-abled or limited-ability people can do some sort of community service. It would probably also bolster their self-esteem to be putting something back into the community.
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